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[Pyrpolizer]

I used to be much more optimistic before but later I came to the exact opposite conclusion than yours.

I now believe that the majority of TCs do not accept a true unification. Only a partnership between two mostly separate countries. Just like Cyprus and Lithuania are partners and "united" in EU.

I came to a different conclussion. That the TCs oscillate between what you said and true unification. Their position is not fixed.

I have always been propartition. I have never hidden that neither in this nor in the other forum. I have always believed that the interests of Turkish Cypriots will be best served by the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus.

Do you understand that the so called "trnc" is by 90% GC owned land? Do you understand that each and every day that passes the TCs pay for this illegality and they will continue to pay for eternity? Do you understand that your notion of how the TC interests are best served clashes directly with how the interests of GCs are served?

Let me translate your notion in real life terms:You could have an income of $3000 a month.Because of this "trnc" dream you only manage to have an income of $800 a month half of it subsidised by Turkey. This is the result of your dream and how your "interests" are served.

What hurts me is that probably the majority of my countrymen are now supporters of partition. This is the work of the Papadopoulos government which has played bad games with the mentality and psych of Greek Cypriots to the extend that the majority prefers now partition than a compromise solution.

Just for once in your lifetime try to spot the roots of the problem without using a scapegoat. Honourable Mr Papadopoulos is not the reason. It is the long cultivated Denktash mentality for partition, and the revived hopes of the TCs for recognition or at least getting out of their economic isolation after we joined the EU.

[Pyrpolizer]

Of course I will agree with many Turkish Cypriots. You have agreed with Denktash and the Grey Wolves on the small matter of the referendum.

Fallacious Bananiot talking fallacies over fallacies…

Question to person A: Do you accept to donate your house AND marry person B?
-Yes I accept to marry him, but not to donate my house.
-You must answer with a Yes or No
-No

Question to person B: Do you accept to get the house of person A and marry him?
-Yes I accept to get his house but I DO NOT accept to marry him.
-You must answer with a Yes or No
-No

BANANIOT’S FALLACY: Person A agrees with person B!!!!

[Jerry]

"""Just to make it clear - I am not a Turkish Cypriot. ""

Of course you are not , if you were you have the interests of the T/Cs at heart and refrain from the usual crap that you post on the "TRNC" You may not even be a Turk , just a remnant of the Ottoman Empire.
Wake up man , here we are , Cypriots trying to save our country for the future generations of Cypriots , we don't need smart asses from Greece and Turkey meddling in our affairs for the detriment of our nation.

But like everyone else on this forum he is entitled to express his views.
bt can you enlighten us about what Greece is doing to its minorities?

[Bananiot]

Honourable Mr Papadopoulos, my foot!

[miltiades]

Jerry , why I a Cypriot know anything about the Greek minorities apart from what is internationally reported , and since I haven't come across any such articles I'm totally ignorant of what is going on.
Every one on this forum is entitled to express their views and I respect their right to do so regardless of how stupid , or intelligent such views might be.

[Jerry]

Jerry said :- bt can you enlighten us about what Greece is doing to its minorities?

Obviously a breakdown in communication Miltiades. bt is my shortcut for bg-Turk, the question was not addressed to you.

If you respect bg- Turks's right to express his views on this site why do you refer to them as crap, just say you strongly disagree, there is no need to be rude.

[miltiades]

Jerry , I will repeat that we all have a right to express our views and I respect every ones right to post as much crap as they want . I have a right to categorise postings into sensible , constructive , responsible ot pure crap. This guy lives in Bulgaria probably he has never been to Cyprus in his life , he may not even be from Turkey , probably as I said earlier a remnant of the Ottoman empire. This guy tells me , a Cypriot , that my country , the country I was born and raised is no longer my country but it is the illegitimate , unrecognised Turkish Republic Of Northern Cyprus , to that I say bullocks. He therefore expressed a crappy view and I gave him my answer. Cyprus is just that Cyprus not f..ng Turkish or F.. ng Greek. Have I made my point clear.

You must see that it is this kind of rubbish that keeps our island divided My countrymen are the Cypriots , the T/Cs are my people just as much as the G/Cs are.

[bg_turk]

Jerry said :- bt can you enlighten us about what Greece is doing to its minorities?

This is something I wrote some time ago, so I am just recycling:

The Turks of Western Thrace are the only people in Europe whose ethnic identity is denied. The identity of this Turkish minority is denied by their own government and a living example of this denial is the banning of any civic organisations which identifies itself as Turkish. The Western Thrace Turkish Teachers Union (founded in 1936), Komotini Turkish Youth Association (founded in 1928) and Turkish Union of Xanthi (founded in 1927) have been all victims of this campaign of persecution, and their "crime" has been that their members were ethnic Turks and they had "Turk" in their names.

For decades, these Associations have operated as legitimate civic society organisations promoting cultural, educational, religious and sportive activities for the Turks in Western Thrace until 1983 when their right to exist has been challenged.

In 1984, the local Prefectures in Komotini and Xanthi applied to domestic courts demanding the banning of these Associations under the pretext that their names contained the adjective “Turkish”. Subsequently National Courts ordered the dissolution of the “Western Thrace Turkish Teachers Union”, “Komotini Turkish Youth Union” and the “Turkish Union of Xanthi” on the grounds that their members declared that they were of “Turkish origin” and the titles of the Associations contained the word “Turkish”.

In doing so, the courts disregarded the facts that the titles of the Associations merely symbolized the citizens of “Turkish descent” living in Western Thrace, that they have been established in accordance with national laws, they have been recognized by the courts and authorities and they were functioning without problems and restrictions for a long time as legitimate peaceful Associations.

Later appeals against these decisions had little success in overturning them. In November 1987, the National High Court affirmed 1986 decisions by the Court of Appeals of Thrace to ban the “Western Thrace Turkish Teachers Union” and “Komotini Turkish Youth Union” under the pretext that “the use of the word ‘Turkish’ to signify ‘Greek Muslims’ undermined public order.”

The Turkish minority strongly protested against the decision and defended its Turkishness by stagin mass protests on 29 January 1988. People from all over Wester Thrace converged towards Komotini only to be brutally suppressed by security forcees. An unprecedented outburst of racial hatred folloed, and organized mobs stromed the Turkish quaters of Komotini, damaging and looting more than 400 Turkish shops and business. Community leaders and religious clergymen were specifically targeted, and several members were badly beaten up and publically humiliated.

As recently as May 2001 application by the “Rodopi Turkish Women’s Cultural Association” has been declined by the local court.

As of February 2004, the word “Turkish” is still “sacrosanct”, and Turkish minority’s freedom of association remains an unresolved issue in an EU member which claims to have endorsed higher human and minority rights than its neighbouring non-eu states.

At a time when the EU is so successful at exporting freedom and stability in its neigbourhood, and is a strong advocate of more cultural rights and freedoms for oppressed minorities in prospective members I am deeply disturbed and outraged at the tolerance that EU institutions display towards ongoing violations within an existing EU member. What is at stake's is EU's credibility, and I believe it is high time that action be taken to rectify the situation and to revoke the "carte blanche" from this particular member state to abuse its Turkish minority.

An entire people's identity has been denied at the heart of Europe for decades, but the European Union remains silent, oblivious and indifferent.

Now lo and behold the usual barrage of accusations against Turkey regarding Kurds, Armenian, Pontians, Circassians, etc etc.

[bg_turk]

This guy tells me , a Cypriot , that my country , the country I was born and raised is no longer my country but it is the illegitimate , unrecognised Turkish Republic Of Northern Cyprus , to that I say bullocks.

I did not say it was not your country. If you were one of those GCs that has been unfairly displaced, I will always stand by your right to seek justice and to return to your homeland. The TRNC will be your country as well.

Cyprus is just that Cyprus not f..ng Turkish or F.. ng Greek.

Is that your wishful opinion, or the reality on the ground?

[miltiades]

Firstly let me say that the information you posted on the treatment of the Turkish minority in Thrace is disturbing to say the least.If indeed such discriminatory practices are taking place in Greece then is a bloody disgrace and the EU should investigate and proclaim the perpetrators as guilty oh human rights violations.

Coming to your second point can I just ask you if you are aware that the "TRNC " IS NOT REGOGNISED INTERNATIONALY AND THAT THE PART OF CYPRUS THEY CALL SUCH IS DEEMED INTERNATIONALY TO BE A PART OF CYPRUS.
You are suggesting that I the "TRNC " should become my country too , dont wish to be rude but are you thick ? Haven't I told you in my previous posts that I'm a Cypriot and that all of Cyprus is my country, the occupied part is administered by a foreign power that keeps 40 thousand troops on my country's soil.Dont know where you get your common sense from but I would , if I were you , search else where.

Since you brought the mainland Greeks into the picture and posted the article containing the treatment of Turkish minorities in Greece , a treatment that I find abhorrent and disgraceful , would you also post something on the treatment of the 20 million minority Kurds in Turkey , or is that not part of your agenda. I'm a Cypriot , you are not , you have no right to suggest the nonsense that you do. May I suggest you concentrate in helping us in Cyprus , all of us , not making ludicrous suggestions. I will not ask for your opinion on the Armenian question since I already know what your answer might be.