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[miltiades]

Simon , there have been two T/Cs who after prompting by the miserable old sod Miltiades , removed their avatar. I can not really ask that pressure is put upon their leadership to relinquish ties with the only nation on earth that recognises their existence. I think , the time will come , when a subtle nudge will be the order of the day , and believe me that day will come and they will , just as we must , reciprocate.
Simon what is the alternative , we remain divided until re unification is struggled to death and the stark reality of partition is the order of the day. My philosophy is really quite simple , one Cyprus for two communities , two communities in one Cyprus.
In a private email , a postie, some time ago , accused me of treason !!! I did not reply , my tolerance level in dealing with the utterly stupid is zero. He accused me of being a traitor to the G/Cs because i constantly referred to the T/Cs as my compatriots !!!
The two of us were wrong in hurling personal abuse to each other , I accept that ,and I m guilty of intolerance.
But one thing you will see in my 1000 plus posts , a total undiluted , unshaken devotion to a united Cyprus for all Cypriots. I never deviated from my hearts honest beliefs , I swear on the most precious little life in my life that I do not harbour one iota of hatred for my Cypriot brothers , Greeks , Turks , Armenians and of late my dear friends the Brits.

[Natty]

if 99.9% are Cypriots first and agree with you.

Natty, you should have patent this number (99.9 %). You would have been a millionair by now.!!!

Lol!! How annoying, I really should have shouldn't I?? Oh well, maybe I can come up with another catch phrase....

[Simon]

Miltiades, I can't disagree with most of what you say. Can I clarify though that I was not asking them to cut their ties, but merely stop calling a part of Cyprus, 'Turkish.'

I guess one of the main reasons I hold onto Greece more than what you'd like, is because I get the feeling that GCs without Greece are totally helpless, against the giant that is Turkey. While the 'TRNC' exists and 40,000 Turkish troops remain on Cyprus, we are under great threat as a community. I mean, say if negotiations broke down once again, and Turkey decided to simply stop negotiating (which I would not put beyond them), or that the ceasefire in Cyprus was suddenly broken for whatever reason, the only country that would seriously care about GCs and put their money and troops where their mouth is, is Greece. You are right when you say that they never helped before, but there were circumstances existing at the time (like that stupid junta and USA interference) that were stumbling blocks. With the Joint Defence Doctrine that Greece and Cyprus have agreed, Greece have stated that from now on, an attack on Cyprus will be considered an attack on Greece itself. I believe that in this sort of political climate, with Turkey not allowing Cyprus to join NATO, we need this sort of reassurance. You may reply that we have the UN and EU to help, but we all know that they will just talk, like they have every other time, and do nothing about it.

You may think that I am being totally melodramatic and insecure about the whole situation, but this is how Turkey has left me feeling, with their expansionist designs in the Aegean and Cyprus.

But look, in saying all that, I will remove the Greek flag for you Miltiades, because you feel so strongly against it, whereas I do not see my avatar as that important. A fair solution is the thing that is important to me, which I pray we will get. Take it as a gesture, to show you my earlier apology was sincere. You see I can be humble and I am not totally conceited!

[Natty]

Now thats what I like to see!!

You know, I think the GCs will always have a special connection with Greece,(after all we have a very similar history, dating back to ancient times) and not only Greece but Greeks all over the world, but at the same time they will always have that equaly, if not more important, connection with the TC's....but the connection with Greece and Greeks in general does not mean we want enosis. Yes thats what the GC's wanted in the past, but I honestly don't believe it was meant in a sinister way. All they are waiting for now is a fair reunification plan for both GC's and TC's, one that doesn't play the GC's off the TC's and vice versa, one that doesn't cause tention and mistrust, like in the past...

I am 100% Cypriot firstly (something I share with the TC's), and secondly I am 100% Greek (something I share with Greeks, all over the world!!). If that makes sense..

Sorry no 99.9%, I've decided to go the full hog this time!! 100% all the way!!


Peace!!

[Issy1956]

Simon,
Heaven forbid that there should be war again in Cyprus-our differences should settled by jaw-jaw instead of war-war. However it is my firm belief that both Greece and Turkey act primarily in their own self interest and have used their respective communities on the Island in a proxy bettle to further their own interests. I very much doubt that Greece would should shed one drop of blood for the GC community-they havent in the past and they wont in the future. The way forward in my view is security for us all through the common membership of the EU/Nato for a united Cyprus.

[miltiades]

NATTY BEAT ME TO IT AND RATHER ELOQUENTLY TOO , WELL 99.9% AT LEAST. What Natty says is exactly what I would say so I wont repeat it. Her is what she says :

"""You know, I think the GCs will always have a special connection with Greece,(after all we have a very similar history, dating back to ancient times) and not only Greece but Greeks all over the world, but at the same time they will always have that equally, if not more important, connection with the TC's....but the connection with Greece and Greeks in general does not mean we want enosis. Yes that's what the GC's wanted in the past, but I honestly don't believe it was meant in a sinister way. All they are waiting for now is a fair reunification plan for both GC's and TC's, one that doesn't play the GC's off the TC's and vice verse, one that doesn't cause tension and mistrust, like in the past...

I am 100% Cypriot firstly (something I share with the TC's), and secondly I am 100% Greek (something I share with Greeks, all over the world!!). If that makes sense.. ""

Simon you have made me a very humble man with your mature gesture. Just so that you understand I'm horrified at the idea that a future generation of our people in Cyprus could find them selves in conflict , with Greece and Turkey involved , it would be a total disaster for all three nations with all three being the losers .I doubt for one moment that any one of us in Cyprus would harbour such a scenario regardless of the injustice prevailing currently .
I take my hat off to you Simon , my best regards .

[Pyrpolizer]

Although there’s been a big fuss here about Simon waving the Greek flag, I haven’t seen anyone spelling a single word about Bg-Turk waving the pseudo flag. Does that flag promote unity? Damn, it even represents illegality….

[miltiades]

Pyrpolizer , to the best of my knowledge bg_turk is neither a Cypriot or even a Turk , he is a Bulgarian Turk.
He could post whatever avatar , like every one else , since he is not really concerned with the Cyprus issue but he feels that he must support his " brothers " in Cyprus. With friends like that who needs enemies.
Simon's' gesture was one that all Cypriots would appreciate as I'm sure you do too.
Ps. When Greece was playing in the European cup I flew the Greek flag , not only at home , but also in my business. I would expect if Turkey was playing in a major tournament all T/Cs to show their support . Perfectly rational and understandable.

[Pyrpolizer]

Simon's' gesture was one that all Cypriots would appreciate as I'm sure you do too.

Yes I do of course. Moreover Simon proved he is a person who deserves respect.

I know bg-Turk is Bulgarian, I just wanted to point out that he cunningly bypasses the forum avatar gallery which DOES_NOT include that flag, by placing a link to that illegal flag in his signature instead !
And I find this cunning bypassing very provoking to the GCs of the forum, and a pissing off to the Admins and Mods.

[bg_turk]

What I have in my signature and what flag I wave in front of my house is non of your concern. It is part of my freedom of speech to choose the symbols I wish to identify with.

Besides I am not a Bulgarian, I identify myself as a Turk [with pure barbaric Mongolian blood].