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[miltiades]

Come come now Kifeas you are too modest , you have a superb knowledge of the English language and no one on this forum would doubt your intellectual capacity , and that is why you have an obligation to refrain from extreme comments , and to why I have an equal obligation to repudiate such comments that are damaging to the prospects of a peaceful solution to our problems. More subtly , I would be seen as a hypocrite if failed to answer your damaging comments. Unwittingly you have single handedly scored an own goal and exposed VP as a man not easily intimidated judging by his measured response to your vitriolic attack.
Just to clarify one thing , I do not for one minute share VPs general disregard of the 200 thousand refugees neither do I nurture , like you , any desire for revenge at the violation of our island by the invading Turkish army.
You are perfectly entitled to be angry about the great injustice suffered by our island , but I believe that anger should be expressed through civilized processes excluding the use of violence and the prospect of a future war that will do nothing at all to solve our problems.

[Pyrpolizer]

Kifeas,

You are a respectful person in this forum. Even many TCs in here respect you. You present the finest and most perfect argumentation.
You spend a lot of energy and reading time to be in this position to reach this admirable level of fine contribution. And even more time to make it understandable to those who can not understand easily.

You hate the writtings of Viewpoint. No problem. I also don’t like most of the things Viewpoint says. I read your posts. I read VP’s posts. I reach my conclussion. The same way I reach my conclussions , everybody in here does.

Believe me most people in here are by your side.Those who want partition among the TCs are by the side of Denktash and Eroglu. We all know they are 35%. Yes 1 out of 3 TCs!! Our duty my friend is not to lose the other 65% by attacking those 35%. When a TC sees he fellow TC been attacked he or she does not think "he is a partitionist let him be attacked". He thinks a GC attacks a TC !! So until the time comes that we are all united and TCs and GCs will fight united against the Kemalists and the Grivas, we have to ignore the partitionists, the Turk haters etc. Too much energy spent with them ain’t worth it.

Now concerning VP he is not a partitionist. He oscillates between partition and re-unification, although his tendency is clearly towards partition. It’s upto you to bring him by your side or turn him in to the Eroglus. If you already tried and you think it’s impossible then forget it, let it be. As you can see there are plenty other Tcs to talk with in here.

That’s all I wanted to say.

[Pyrpolizer]

Miltiades,
at this stage of fire even if you throw rocks in they will catch fire too.
So I suggest everybody to stop this discussion.

[Pyrpolizer]

Bananiot is a Cypriot, therefore, if he is being "destructive against his own people", then he is being destructive against the TC's and GC's.

Is this your understanding also.!!!

Yes!

[miltiades]

Pyrpolizer , you have my utmost respect for expressing such sensible and constructive views .
We must not be seen by our T/C compatriots as extremists , FOR THE SIMPLE REASON THAT WE ARE NOT.
The very fact that most of the G./Cs have registered their dissatisfaction on the attack on VP IS INDICATIVE OF OUR COMMITMENT TO UNIFICATION .Partition will spell the death of Cyprus as far as I'm concerned , the Simons of this world will be deliriously happy to be absorbed by Greece and the VPs will rejoice at becoming a part of Turkey . All I ask is what happens to me and to all other true Cypriots , I dont want to be part of Greece and I dont want my Island or part of it belonging to another foreign country.

[bg_turk]

Maybe killed on the spot! See what I am talking about that the "new Cypriot nationals" are more fashcist than the faschists themselves!

I totally agree! They are replacing Turkish and Greek nationalism with this false Cypriot nationalism which is even more dangerous.

[Piratis]

I didn't read all of the last posts.

However I have one question to some people.

What is worst:

1) Committing a crime, e.g. somebody raping your sister, mother, daughter etc, and then coming to a discussion and brag about how he committed the crime but nobody can punish him or even stop him so he will continue acting in a criminal illegal way for as long as he wants telling us something like: "You can make your sister a prostitute. Then I will just pay to screw her and I will not have to rape her anymore. Otherwise I will keep raping her either you like it or not".

or

2) The victim of the above criminal who asked this criminal to stop his crimes (and even accepted to forgive him) but in the end, seeing that the criminal has no intention of stopping his crimes, he broke down and said some bad words to him?


What I say is that we should not tell those criminals any such words. We should stay calm, and carefully plan our tactics that will harm those criminals as much as possible and be prepared for the day (that will inevitably come) that the balance of power will change.

[Viewpoint]

I didn't read all of the last posts.

However I have one question to some people.

What is worst:

1) Committing a crime, e.g. somebody raping your sister, mother, daughter etc, and then coming to a discussion and brag about how he committed the crime but nobody can punish him or even stop him so he will continue acting in a criminal illegal way for as long as he wants telling us something like: "You can make your sister a prostitute. Then I will just pay to screw her and I will not have to rape her anymore. Otherwise I will keep raping her either you like it or not".

or

2) The victim of the above criminal who asked this criminal to stop his crimes (and even accepted to forgive him) but in the end, seeing that the criminal has no intention of stopping his crimes, he broke down and said some bad words to him?


What I say is that we should not tell those criminals any such words. We should stay calm, and carefully plan our tactics that will harm those criminals as much as possible and be prepared for the day (that will inevitably come) that the balance of power will change.

I dont agree with the theft/rape analogy because you cannot steal something that partly belongs to you in the first place and you have every right to utilize whats yours, but for arguements sakes lets agree...

Id like to ask is theft of land worse than rape or is rape worse than death? kindly put the above crimes in perspective and then you will see there is no longer rape there is a usage of land which we have an interest in as well. I admitt we may have more than our fair share but we are also willing to talk about how we can give it back and how we can possibly live together or agree to officially divide. These efforts to date have been unfruitful not only due to the TC side but you have to concede the blame is partially your own fault.

[Viewpoint]

Id like to thank everyone that showed some unity against someone who is very dangerous to any kind of solution coming about. (Takes a lot of guts to stand up to this individual who will verbally and even physically attack anyone who utters anything remotely against his own ideology) You do not have to agree with everything I say but I should be allowed to say it, like everyone else on the forum. It is these modern day warriors that can be be compared to those Eoka terrorists of the past who not only killed us but also their own people. Given the opportunity these people who are in training would kill TCs without batting an eyelid. This may seem very extreem but these are exactly the people TCs fear the most as it is this type of mentality that will ensure we are discriminated against and even put in physical danger. It is the same blind mentality that will prove people like me right everytime and ensure that we do not trust each other for many years to come.

[Piratis]

I dont agree with the theft/rape analogy because you cannot steal something that partly belongs to you in the first place and you have every right to utilize whats yours, but for arguements sakes lets agree...

Of course you can steal something that is partly yours if you take illegally the part that is not yours, as you did.

Id like to ask is theft of land worse than rape or is rape worse than death? kindly put the above crimes in perspective and then you will see there is no longer rape there is a usage of land which we have an interest in as well.

Viewpoint, the "rape" I was referring to was not about what the Turkish army did in 74. I am using the word in a metaphorical way, unless of course you know of a way to have sex with the ground. (actually I know a joke about Pontians and earthquake, but thats beyond the scope of this thread)

I admitt we may have more than our fair share but we are also willing to talk about how we can give it back and how we can possibly live together or agree to officially divide.

Well, here lies the problem. So far the only way you accept to stop the illegalities is if we legalize your illegalities (making our sister a prostitute, so you can legally screw her, instead of illegally raping her - got the metaphor now?). And if we do not agree to your demands then you say you will continue with your illegalities and crimes until we agree!

You are clearly trying to make us to capitulate by using the power of the Turkish army. If you want to have negotiations on a fair basis, then return the land to RoC, return to RoC yourselves as per the 1960 agreements, and then we can sit and discuss of how we can modify those agreements. If we both agree to something different, then we get that something different. If we don't then we are left with the 1960 agreements which are legal, and not with the illegalities you force on us.