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[Jerry]

What are you saying? hand everything over to the EU, they just dont have the mechanism or the will to take on such a task.

If the UN can send peacekeeping forces all over the world it really should not be too much of a task for the EU, which has a huge bureaucracy, to set up in Cyprus. No everything would not be handed over to the EU both sides would have to agree to a solution but the TCs security fears would be guaranteed by the EU. How do you know they don't have the will?

[Viewpoint]

What are you saying? hand everything over to the EU, they just dont have the mechanism or the will to take on such a task.

If the UN can send peacekeeping forces all over the world it really should not be too much of a task for the EU, which has a huge bureaucracy, to set up in Cyprus. No everything would not be handed over to the EU both sides would have to agree to a solution but the TCs security fears would be guaranteed by the EU. How do you know they don't have the will?

This issue was raised with EU about Famagusta port and from what we read they stated they have not and do not take on such responsiblities, this is something the UN would address.

[Viewpoint]

Kifeas wrote :
""Snakes like Viewpoint are the reason not only why we will never have solution and re-unification, but most likely will also be the reason why we will have a war and bloodshed in Cyprus one day"""

As far as VP is concerned , you refer to VP as a female , since I'm not certain that your not being vindictive in some way I will refer to VP as a male until corrected.

VP is by no means typical of the T/Cs' views on the G/Cs , he is grossly biased having been severely indoctrinated by the isolationist policies of the previous T/C leadership and I believe that VP would be quite happy to have a permanent partition with full recognition of the "TRNC" .On previous postings he made clear that he has no trust at all for his G/C countrymen , and he must realize that such views are an expression of the wish to remain divided .Until VP and those who share his views begin to come to terms with the current situation in the occupied part , some 50% of T/Cs have left the island emigrating for a better life , those remaining are mostly employed in "governmental " positions . mistrust of the settlers is widespread , British criminal elements are operating trouble free , standard of living is at a much lower level than of the G/Cs and there is no chance in hell of International recognition.
Vewpoint will sooner than later understand the concept of isolationism when it begins to sink in.After the referendum T/Cs were mislead into believing that their isolation was imminently coming to an end .Not so.

Kifeas , you are perhaps the most gifted of posties on this forum , you have a comprehensive knowledge of the Cyprus problem , but you disappoint immensely those of us who are continuing our efforts in all walks of life and in many Countries , to drum up support for our cause , the cause of a united Cyprus , a peaceful and a democratic Island , your talk of bloodshed to come is anathema to anyone dedicated to a peaceful solution. The fact of the matter is that you believe in war to put things right , where the vast majority of Cypriots believe in peaceful negotiations. YOU ARE SIR WRONG.

No Sir, I am not wrong! It is you that is wrong!

You are wrong on two grounds.

You are wrong in naively assuming or hypothesizing that poisonous snakes like viewpoint are saying and preaching what they do, simply because they were incidentally and passively indoctrinated, brainwashed and manipulated not to trust the GCs and thus to favor and promote partition due to their isolation. You naively believe that these snakes are doing so simply because they are victims of the circumstances and their naïve and biased upbringing. Wrong! Snakes like Viewpoint and her likes are probably more clever and intelligent than both you and me and most others in here. They are saying and preaching all they do, not because of their insecurities and biased indoctrination, but rather they use instead in a very calculated way the above excuses in order to manipulate and victimize others, like you and me and other GCs and TCs alike, so that they deliberately kill any and all prospects of solution and re-unification. They do so because they are consciously self-recruited in the cause of partition, simply because this is how their illegitimate, opportunistic and egoistic interests are best served. They do not do so because they are somehow psychologically influenced not to trust or to feel insecure within the environment of a potentially re-unified Cyprus, but instead they use the above “reasons” because that is how their interests are best served.

You are also wrong on the assumption that because I speak about a war and bloodshed, this is also what I envision and prefer as the means to a solution. I speak about a war and bloodshed simply because I am afraid that in the end this is the only option that will be left for us in this country, should poisonous pro-Denktash ideology snakes like viewpoint are left to freely roam and spread their deliberate poisonous propaganda campaigns among both GCs and TCs, and thus manage in the end to destroy all the prospects for a peaceful solution of the Cyprus problem. I am saying so because I know that the GCs will never stay still and allow or see 37% of their thousands of years historical, lawful and legitimate homeland and the usurping of our homes, villages, historical and cultural landmarks and properties to permanently slip away without in the end having to fight for them. I am saying so not because this is what I prefer, or because this is the best way, or because I want to take revenge, or because I hate the TCs; but because I am afraid this will remain as the only option to have to consider.

As for the “she” and /or the “he” when referring to the snake, this is all nonsense! The reason I use the “she” is not because of any sexist inclinations, but simply because I have very valid reasons to believe that it’s a “she!” If she is in such a denial of her own sex identity, and she instead wants me to call her a “he,” I have no problem to be doing so from now on! I do not see why or how one can be vindictive by referring to someone as a female instead of a male, or vice versa! For me there is absolutely no difference! There are female snakes that are more poisonous than male snakes, as well as male snakes that are more poisonous than female snakes! In the end of the day, it is all down to how poisonous a snake can be, and not whether it is a male or a female one.

Admin do I have the right to respond in the same insulting and degrading fashion? or is someone actually going to speak for once? Unity is something "we" Cypriots know nothing about, Kifeas has been insulting me for ages and only 1 person has spoken up just like the 1960s nothing has changed.

[Kifeas]

I am not insulting any one person!

I am only insulting a sub-human creature that deliberately claims and propagandizes the illegitimate, illegal and immoral “right” to solidify, consolidate, legitimize and perpetuate the theft and the usurping of my historical homeland and my lawful home and properties and the extinguishing of my historical and cultural heritage rights associated with the illegally occupied northern part of my country; in his /her pursuit to achieve illegitimate, unilateral and one-sided political objectives such as the recognition of a separate ethnically based TC state on the grounds of mine and another 200,000 GC’s ethnic cleansing. Such a sub-human creature that preaches and promotes the above, not only doesn’t deserve any respect from me or any other dignified human being, but in a war situation that he /she will inevitably compel us to retreat, I will have no choice other than to also try and eliminate him /her.

Sorry snake viewpoint, but along with the illegal and immoral ideas you are promoting, you should also know that I am equally legitimized to say to you anything I want, and to the extent that you show absolutely no respect and regard for our rights as GCs, I am legitimize to equally show absolutely no respect and regard to your sub-human status and nature!

[Svetlana]

Hi Kifeas

Let me me make the Rules of this Forum very clear, you may refer and comments on others' ideas, you may NOT pass remarks about fellow Forum members.

Now, please calm down.

Lana

[Kifeas]

Hi Kifeas

Let me me make the Rules of this Forum very clear, you may refer and comments on others' ideas, you may NOT pass remarks about fellow Forum members.

Now, please calm down.

Lana

Sorry Svetlana, but along with the illegal and immoral ideas that viewpoint is allowed to promote, he /she and you should also know that I am equally legitimized to say to him /her anything I want, and to the extent that he /she shows absolutely no respect and regard for our human and other rights, as GCs, I am also legitimized to equally show absolutely no respect and regard to his /her sub-human nature!

You may ban me if you like, and let Viewpoint alone to roam the forum and freely poison all the rest with illegal and immoral ideas and objectives! As far as I am concerned, the matter is not a mere "freedom of expression" issue!

[Viewpoint]

Hi Kifeas

Let me me make the Rules of this Forum very clear, you may refer and comments on others' ideas, you may NOT pass remarks about fellow Forum members.

Now, please calm down.

Lana

Sorry Svetlana, but along with the illegal and immoral ideas that viewpoint is allowed to promote, he /she and you should also know that I am equally legitimized to say to him /her anything I want, and to the extent that he /she shows absolutely no respect and regard for our human and other rights, as GCs, I am also legitimized to equally show absolutely no respect and regard to his /her sub-human nature!

You may ban me if you like, and let Viewpoint alone to roam the forum and freely poison all the rest with illegal and immoral ideas and objectives! As far as I am concerned, the matter is not a mere "freedom of expression" issue!

Svetlana I request that this person called Kifeas is not banned, let everyone read for themselves exactly what lies behind the mind of many GCs and the venom which they display when challenged with anything out of there limited sphere for tollerating other peoples viewpoints. They turn to insults of the lowest form and expect that individual to want reunification well you will not get anyone to unite with you Kifeas as you do your people the worst dis-service possible, only sick part is you dont realize it.

[Svetlana]

Hi Kifeas

Whatever your feelings, please avoid attacking people because of their views; I know it is not always easy when discussing emotive matters such as this.

Lana

[Kifeas]

Svetlana I request that this person called Kifeas is not banned, let everyone read for themselves exactly what lies behind the mind of many GCs and the venom which they display when challenged with anything out of there limited sphere for tollerating other peoples viewpoints. They turn to insults of the lowest form and expect that individual to want reunification well you will not get anyone to unite with you Kifeas as you do your people the worst dis-service possible, only sick part is you dont realize it.

As if the snake of partition ever wanted or will ever want re-unification -or any other solution apart from the perpetuation and “legalization” of the theft and the usurping of our properties and our homeland in the north, and he /she now has the audacity to also pretend to be “worried” that I am the one spoiling such prospects by the way I am posting in the forum. What a preposterous argument indeed!

[Viewpoint]

Svetlana I request that this person called Kifeas is not banned, let everyone read for themselves exactly what lies behind the mind of many GCs and the venom which they display when challenged with anything out of there limited sphere for tollerating other peoples viewpoints. They turn to insults of the lowest form and expect that individual to want reunification well you will not get anyone to unite with you Kifeas as you do your people the worst dis-service possible, only sick part is you dont realize it.

As if the snake of partition ever wanted or will ever want re-unification -or any other solution apart from the perpetuation and “legalization” of the theft and the usurping of our properties and our homeland in the north, and he /she now has the audacity to also pretend to be “worried” that I am the one spoiling such prospects by the way I am posting in the forum. What a preposterous argument indeed!

You are the one claiming to want reunificaiton not me, are you so blind as to not see what you are doing does not contribute positively to changing anyone views or helping them understand but providing time and time again that example which we TCs feel is a good reason to mistrust people like you, thinking you are a reflection of the GC people in general. You sink deeper and deeper into the pit of proving why we should never reunite, yet you seem to continue with the same old belittling and degrading rhetoric.