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[souroul]

18% sounds like a minority to me
nuff said
hey apollonie, why dont you give kurds equal rights in your government? your argument is laid down like a novel, when the matter is as simple as a number and a sign... 18%. go home

what a joke

[Apollonios]

I’m not a Turk and this is a totally different situation but I will not be surprised if more will say the same to avoid confront the reality and the truths I’ve present.

[Piratis]

The definition of minority:

a group of people who differ racially or politically from a larger group of which it is a part

There are two ways that TCs will not be a minority:

1) If we assume that there is no difference between GCs and TCs in terms of race or anything else. In this case we just have equal Cypriot citizens and nothing more.

2) If TCs are not a sub-group of a group were a larger group exists. This is basically what Bg_Turk claimed, that TCs are not a minority since (according to him) they do not belong in the same group as the much bigger group of GCs. This is basically the extremist partition ideology which has as an aim to violently separate TCs from GCs by means of ethnic cleansing in order to create two separate and unrelated groups instead of two sub-groups which are part of the one Cypriot group.

If TCs do not want to be seen as a minority then I would perfectly accept (1). However (2) can not be accepted either directly or indirectly with disauised partition "solutions" of the kind of Annan plan.

[Bananiot]

Can anyone join your movement pyrpolyser? Can I join?

[miltiades]

Are you deserting mine Bananiot , I promise we will have a reshuffle!!

Ps > Life is so cruel sometimes with unforeseen events that demolish in one fell swoop all your dreams , unless you laugh a little you , life ain't worth living.
I think I will have a drink.

[rolo]

common make your minds up. One minute everyone is supposed to be not greek nor turk but Cypriot, the next turks are a minority. It does seem that gc's want it both ways and constantly yoyo the tc status to support their needs. Still sounds like The Makarios years to me. Sort it out...which is it?

[Bananiot]

We love you rolo, but only as a minority. Cheers Miltiades, to the next one ...

[Pyrpolizer]

Can anyone join your movement pyrpolyser? Can I join?

Of course you can. Everyone can as long as he is a Cypriot. Even partitionists. All you will have to do is just discuss in writting a certain issue with a TC. At least 9 other couples will discuss the same issue. You can even participate in discussing many issues with different partners. If you don’t come to an agreement with your partner then no problem.Some other partners will. If you come to an agreement (whatever agreement) that agreement will be presented to the members for voting together with whatever agreements the (at least) other 9 couples have reached.Voting will be compulsory and the agreements on an issue that gets the highest yes voting among both communities (separately) becomes an element of the solution.

We will start from the basics. Do we want partition, new form of unitary state, return to 1960, BBF, whatever the members can think of.

Imo you personally will agree with everything a TC tells you, so I will have the ultimate joy seeing your agreements turned down one after the other at the assemblies.
I will also enjoy seeing Viewpoint agreeing on partition on an 18% basis and seeing his agreement turned down at the assembly by the TCs themselves (others because they want partition based on current Attila line, and others because they believe re-unification is better)

NB.
1)The movement will not have any hierachy. Each member will be simple member, there will be assemblies for setting the subjects and arranging the voting, and there will also be a central committee/coordinating team that will change each time we have assembly.
2)Anyone who doesn’t like the formed elements of a solution will be free to abandon the movement.
3)The assemblies will be open to journalists, and even non members can vote. The voting will not be secret, everyone has to write his name and sign his vote. If we don’t get publicity the members will pay from our pockets a few cents each to publicise the results in newspapers.
4)The movement will make a booooom in Cyprus and the politicians will be looking for holes to hide.
I have proof the average GC/TC can reach an agreement even on the most difficult issues of Cyprob very very easily. So why our elected leaders never agree on anything? It’s about time we bypass them!

All sounds good but you are all forgetting TURKEY will never allow a solution that doesnt serve her interests 100%

Let’s see what Turkey can do when the UN gets a yes vote that may reach 75% from each community. There will be a revolution here if Turkey says no. Who are their tanks going to shoot? The TCs and the Gcs standing in front of them together?

[Piratis]

rolo, the answer is in my previews post:

There are two ways that TCs will not be a minority:

1) If we assume that there is no difference between GCs and TCs in terms of race or anything else. In this case we just have equal Cypriot citizens and nothing more.

2) If TCs are not a sub-group of a group were a larger group exists. This is basically what Bg_Turk claimed, that TCs are not a minority since (according to him) they do not belong in the same group as the much bigger group of GCs. This is basically the extremist partition ideology which has as an aim to violently separate TCs from GCs by means of ethnic cleansing in order to create two separate and unrelated groups instead of two sub-groups which are part of the one Cypriot group.

If TCs do not want to be seen as a minority then I would perfectly accept (1). However (2) can not be accepted either directly or indirectly with disguised partition "solutions" of the kind of Annan plan.

We are perfectly ok without "majorities" and "minorities" and by just having one Cypriot people without sub-groups. But if you want to take your 18% and define it as a different sub-group of Cypriots then by definition you are a minority, which is nothing bad. It just means that your group is smaller than another group, nothing more.

Unfortunately the word "minority" is demonized in the heads of Turkish Cypriots by the Turkish administration, since this demonizing of being a minority is part of their aim for partition. (since apart from (1) the only other way that TCs will not be a minority is (2) as defined above)

[Bananiot]

Of course I will agree with many Turkish Cypriots. You have agreed with Denktash and the Grey Wolves on the small matter of the referendum. I will agree with the Turkish Cypriots that kicked Denktash and I hope you will not cry for it, Pyrpoliser.