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[Viewpoint]

The Annan Plan with revised chapters to accomadate both TCs & GCs realistic concerns.

VP is this an answer to my question?

Because this is not what I meant when I asked you as to what you want to see from the GC in order for you to be won over...

The basis for a solution call it what you want for me is the Annan plan which will have to be revised and adjusted to take into account the further concerns of both communites.

If you are asking for more concrete steps that we refer to as confidence building measures I would like to see GCs accepting that we TCs are equals and that we should have all the advantages they see fit for themselves. If they feel they have the right to run an airport purely by GCs then we to should have the equivelent, if they say airports should be run jointly then I am agreeable to this as well. What I would also like to see is more co-operation between administrations on issues of education, property, the EU, Economy etc. The GC adminsitration should encourage closer ties with TC technocrats to encourage them that a untied Cyprus is better than a divided one and that they would be effective in either the current "RoC" or a new united Cyprus.

[Viewpoint]

'The Annan Plan with revised chapters to accomadate both TCs & GCs realistic concerns.'

Vp you have posted pages worth of stuff here yet you have never told us your view of a solution suitable for you, and the one line yoou posted above is not very good, so please elaborate on that.
and show us how loving and accomodating you are to us and your own needs.

Read above for the steps I would take to encourage better relations between our communites. The type of solution would be along the lines of the Annan plan revised to take into account issues that would make it acceptable to both sides. To add the love factor I would arrange firstly for your father either to get his home back or if that was not possible a healthy compensation package.

[Viewpoint]

If you call that a slap obviously we dont have a problem with it as there is only since been a peaceful existence involved. Call it 7th world country doesnt make a diiference rather that than a second class citizen in a GC state.

I do call it a slap, and so do most of your copatriots, much to your disappointment I guess. You must really miss the Denktash "regime" don't you?

Life goes on Alex, would my countrymen rather live under a GC state, then they are free to move south whenever they wish, nothing is stopping them.

[Viewpoint]

Issy, today, in year 2006, there is no enosis issue and there is no mainland Greek intention, desire and interest to hold or control Cyprus in any direct or indirect way, nor there is any such desire, intent or interest on the part of the GCs towards this direction. The issue of enosis is dead and buried by both Greece and the GCs, for a long time now! On the other hand, Turkey continues to want to have Cyprus -or part of it, under its control and domination, and the TCs are simply continuing to play the role of the facilitator and the carriage of these Turkish on going megalomaniac expansionist interests in Cyprus. I am speaking about the situation as it exists at present, or throughout all the most recent part of our history.

You are so hypocritical its unbelievable. The reason why Enosis is not alive today is because you were unable to enforce it, you were unsucessful in your realizing your dream and therefore you say you have abandoned this idea (which in reality is still festering in the south) The reason why Turkey is here is because you were greedy in wanting the whole island purely for GCs and thus provided a situation where intervention was necessary to bring about a peaceful existence which are enjoying today.

[Viewpoint]

Viewpoint ekatantisen I syja toy mavrou damesada-This means:VP turned to be the niger’s fig tree in here.

I feel the need to defend this person as he is human too, and I ask everybody to consider how he or she would feel if were attacked by so many people. VP is not the cause of the Cyprob, he is just a victim as anyone else.A disoriented victim imho, still a victim though.

VP when I said you treated us like FOREIGNERS I meant your regime. Perhaps I should re-write my message and separate the treatment we received from the people to those we received from the regime and those we received from both. To make a long story short we received mostly kind treatment from the TC people.

The reason we want to reunite is because there is no other choice. I explained in many previous posts that although a reunification solution is not easy to reach, an agreed partition is totally impossible to reach, even if your own side takes all the steps necessary unilatterally. Convince me of the opposite !!

Time and the lack of progress will convince you

PS Disorientated Ill let it slip this time.......

[Piratis]

but as you probably know, the damage that has been done by our persistant pursuing of unachievable objectives

And who makes such objectives unachievable? If Turks accepted one truly united Cyprus, democracy, human rights, no racist discriminations and the other universally accepted ideals we pursue as they exist in all other democratic countries, then those objectives would not be unachievable, would they?

Or according to you we should just accept whatever the Turks want, since they would reject anything else making it unachievable?

Who is an obstacle to a solution today is Turkey and TCs who insist on the same nationalistic extreme maximalistic aims they had since the 50s: Partition (disguised one like Annan plan is even better for them, so they will not just gain land on our loss, but lots of money and EU accession as well)

On the other hand our side has abandoned its own maximalistic demands for enosis, and has even compromised to such level of accepting a solution based on BBF even if we didn't have to agree on such thing.

And now according to Bananiot we should even abandon our minimum objectives of human rights and democracy, in order to satisfy to the 100% the maximalistic demands of the Turks and TCs.

What did you expect from a person who said he would prefer if Cyprus was still a collony? The ideal for Bananiot would be Greek Cypriots to be turned back to slaves under the Brtish or under the Turks. I think "Defeatist" is not the right word for his case. Masochist would be much more appropriate.

Bananiot to his Turkish master: "Oh yes Mehmet, punish me more, hit me harder, I will do anything that you say. I do not pursue any unachievable objectives, all I want is to be screwed as hard as possible."

[Pyrpolizer]

The path to partition is two-pronged. One way is to mutually agree for it and go for velvet partition. The other way is to insist on maximalist gains and thus cement partition. Your right Honourable, has already stated that the present situation constitutes the second best solution, thus, perhaps you should contemplate asking Papadopoulos your little, silly and moronic questions

Defeatist of the forum I am asking you not the Honourable Mr President. Because he never said he wants to save as much as possible. You are the one who suggesteed this. Will you ever reply for yourself yes or no:

Would you take Viewpoint’s proposal for partition on an 18% basis to save as much as possible?

[Viewpoint]

Piratis

On the other hand our side has abandoned its own maximalistic demands for enosis, and has even compromised to such level of accepting a solution based on BBF even if we didn't have to agree on such thing.

Why have you given up on Enosis because you couldnt enforce it and today you realize it was the wron gpath to take but partition has worked it has brought all Cypriots a peaceful exisistence.

[Pyrpolizer]

Viewpoint,
yes I beleive your view for partition is due to long past and present cultivated disorientation. Sorry if that's diminishing ( i have no such intention ), but I don't know of any more suitable world. If you can provide me a better word I will use that one.

[Kifeas]

Issy, today, in year 2006, there is no enosis issue and there is no mainland Greek intention, desire and interest to hold or control Cyprus in any direct or indirect way, nor there is any such desire, intent or interest on the part of the GCs towards this direction. The issue of enosis is dead and buried by both Greece and the GCs, for a long time now! On the other hand, Turkey continues to want to have Cyprus -or part of it, under its control and domination, and the TCs are simply continuing to play the role of the facilitator and the carriage of these Turkish on going megalomaniac expansionist interests in Cyprus. I am speaking about the situation as it exists at present, or throughout all the most recent part of our history.

You are so hypocritical its unbelievable. The reason why Enosis is not alive today is because you were unable to enforce it, you were unsucessful in your realizing your dream and therefore you say you have abandoned this idea (which in reality is still festering in the south) The reason why Turkey is here is because you were greedy in wanting the whole island purely for GCs and thus provided a situation where intervention was necessary to bring about a peaceful existence which are enjoying today.

Whatever the reasons or the causes why enosis is abandoned are, it is practically irrelevant and only second to the fact that since 1968 the official GC position and policy was for an independed Cyprus, outside the domination of the "motherlands." The peace you think you are enjoying today is only the calmness before the storm,

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Lana