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[Marz]

'The Annan Plan with revised chapters to accomadate both TCs & GCs realistic concerns.'

Vp you have posted pages worth of stuff here yet you have never told us your view of a solution suitable for you, and the one line yoou posted above is not very good, so please elaborate on that.
and show us how loving and accomodating you are to us and your own needs.

[EUropean666]

I think that the case of "relics" is already a hot-spot of EU's report on Turkey. Turkey is an Asian country and they are proud only for their army and their military "achievements" such as destroying other civilisations, ethnic cleasning and looting non-Islamic "relics". Time to get the message! We have enough with those muslims and their sick ideology (they call it Islam). Muslims can not live in Peace with others. Whether this is Israel, Sudan, Kashmir, Caucasus, Nagorno Karabach, Somalia, Philipinnes, Thailand Muslims are the troublemakers. Their fascist ideology will never allow them to live in Peace with others. Israel is a great lesson for the free world. Palys did not appreciated that Israel gave them freedom, something that jordan and other arabs did not do it from 1948 to 1967 since Palestine was under Jordanian occupation, but instead of working to bring peace in the area they started bombing israel.
Accept the truth, Muslims can not live in Peace. Others can do it.

[alexISS]

If you call that a slap obviously we dont have a problem with it as there is only since been a peaceful existence involved. Call it 7th world country doesnt make a diiference rather that than a second class citizen in a GC state.

I do call it a slap, and so do most of your copatriots, much to your disappointment I guess. You must really miss the Denktash "regime" don't you?

[Kifeas]

I think that the case of "relics" is already a hot-spot of EU's report on Turkey. Turkey is an Asian country and they are proud only for their army and their military "achievements" such as destroying other civilisations, ethnic cleasning and looting non-Islamic "relics". Time to get the message! We have enough with those muslims and their sick ideology (they call it Islam). Muslims can not live in Peace with others. Whether this is Israel, Sudan, Kashmir, Caucasus, Nagorno Karabach, Somalia, Philipinnes, Thailand Muslims are the troublemakers. Their fascist ideology will never allow them to live in Peace with others. Israel is a great lesson for the free world. Palys did not appreciated that Israel gave them freedom, something that jordan and other arabs did not do it from 1948 to 1967 since Palestine was under Jordanian occupation, but instead of working to bring peace in the area they started bombing israel.
Accept the truth, Muslims can not live in Peace. Others can do it.

European666, the problems in Cyprus are not region related! They have nothing to do with Christianity vs. Islam or Islam vs. Christianity. The Turkish Cypriots are not Islamic fundamentalists, nor are the Greek Cypriots! The problem in Cyprus has to do only with Turkish megalomaniac pervasive nationalism and expansionism, as it was initially developed and practiced during the years of the Ottoman Empire and was then “scientifically” forged and embedded into the Turkish and the TC society and politics by Ataturk and his successor kemalist ideology. The Turkish ruling elites and the military are not Islamists! Their religion is not Islam but Ataturkism or kemalism! Their motivation is not religious fanaticism; but Turkish nationalism, imperialism and irredentism!

[Issy1956]

Kifeas,
You said "The problem in Cyprus has to do only with Turkish megalomaniac pervasive nationalism and expansionism".
Do you really mean to say that Greek Nationalism, Enosis etc had nothing to do with our problems in Cyprus?
I agree with the sentiment that this is not really a religious problem but please dont let Turkish Nationalism take all the credit where Greek expansion has done all the hard work.
You must acquaint yourself a little more with the life of Atturk and his philophosy. As I understand it one of the tenets of his belief was peace at home and peace abroad withoutb laying claims to foreign terrority. It was in fact Greece that coveted Turkish terrority and invaded Turkey after WW1.

[Kifeas]

Kifeas,
You said "The problem in Cyprus has to do only with Turkish megalomaniac pervasive nationalism and expansionism".
Do you really mean to say that Greek Nationalism, Enosis etc had nothing to do with our problems in Cyprus?
I agree with the sentiment that this is not really a religious problem but please dont let Turkish Nationalism take all the credit where Greek expansion has done all the hard work.
You must acquaint yourself a little more with the life of Atturk and his philophosy. As I understand it one of the tenets of his belief was peace at home and peace abroad withoutb laying claims to foreign terrority. It was in fact Greece that coveted Turkish terrority and invaded Turkey after WW1.

Issy, today, in year 2006, there is no enosis issue and there is no mainland Greek intention, desire and interest to hold or control Cyprus in any direct or indirect way, nor there is any such desire, intent or interest on the part of the GCs towards this direction. The issue of enosis is dead and buried by both Greece and the GCs, for a long time now! On the other hand, Turkey continues to want to have Cyprus -or part of it, under its control and domination, and the TCs are simply continuing to play the role of the facilitator and the carriage of these Turkish on going megalomaniac expansionist interests in Cyprus. I am speaking about the situation as it exists at present, or throughout all the most recent part of our history.

I know all about Ataturk! The problem is not with what Ataturk said or did, or with what he did not do or say ! The problem is with his successive ideology, kemalism, and those claiming today to practice it on behalf of his name and his preaching!

[Bananiot]

Similarly, there is no Hitler in modern Germany. Should the Germans claim Gdansk, back from Poland? I am afraid this is not how the world functions. Parts of East Germany have been lost for ever for Germany, because of the policies of Nazi Germany. I cannot really see how we (the little minnows) can convince the world to go back to the situation as it were. I wish we could but simply these things do not function like this. At best we should aim at a compromise and try to save as much as possible. From the Greek Cypriot point of view, that is. Otherwise we risk to lose much more.

[Kifeas]

Similarly, there is no Hitler in modern Germany. Should the Germans claim Gdansk, back from Poland? I am afraid this is not how the world functions. Parts of East Germany have been lost for ever for Germany, because of the policies of Nazi Germany. I cannot really see how we (the little minnows) can convince the world to go back to the situation as it were. I wish we could but simply these things do not function like this. At best we should aim at a compromise and try to save as much as possible. From the Greek Cypriot point of view, that is. Otherwise we risk to lose much more.

What the hell are you talking about .....? What does Hitler or Nazi Germany have to do with what we are talking about here, or with Cyprus in general? Are you mentally sick or what? Have you run out of your schizophrenia pills recently?

[EUropean666]

The elite of turkey are secular-Kemalists. Though that kemalisms is a cult (he is treated as a god) but the heart of the turks is islamic. Muslims suppose to respect other religions but this is a vague. they have proved that they are not. Islam has war in its blood and it is proving it everyday. Turks maynot be so religious (as we believe coz the truth is that most of turks are quite religious) and of course i am refering to the Turks, not the turkish speaking Cypriots

[Pyrpolizer]

Viewpoint ekatantisen I syja toy mavrou damesada-This means:VP turned to be the niger’s fig tree in here.

I feel the need to defend this person as he is human too, and I ask everybody to consider how he or she would feel if were attacked by so many people. VP is not the cause of the Cyprob, he is just a victim as anyone else.A disoriented victim imho, still a victim though.

VP when I said you treated us like FOREIGNERS I meant your regime. Perhaps I should re-write my message and separate the treatment we received from the people to those we received from the regime and those we received from both. To make a long story short we received mostly kind treatment from the TC people.

The reason we want to reunite is because there is no other choice. I explained in many previous posts that although a reunification solution is not easy to reach, an agreed partition is totally impossible to reach, even if your own side takes all the steps necessary unilatterally. Convince me of the opposite !!