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[Viewpoint]

Marz I sympathise with your father I wish I had a magic wand to return his house but I dont, at least his house is still standing my mothers house which was perfectly sound was knocked down and is now an empty plot of land so shes doesnt even want to go and see it now she wants to remember how it was in the past, she is only left with her memories and it wasnt the Turkish army that removed the only link she had with the south. There are similar even more tragic stories from both sides what happened happened but we cant turn the clock back thats history. The sad things is neither side has learned anything we are still unable to envisage a united Cyprus where we would first feel safe, a part of and control over our destiny.

I advise your father to apply to the compensation board newly formed in the north and I hope he gets good compensation if not then he shoudl go to the ECHR and stake his claim for fair compensation.

If you feel you have the strength to take the whole island then feel free to do so but be prepared for all out war where both sides will lose many lives like 1974 after which you are still crying, we will not just sit back and surrender we to will fight back with everything we have this is human nature. War is not the solution but if you feel you can catch Turkey a nation of nearly 80million at a moment of weakness then you are really deluding yourselves, if you play with fire you are sure to get burnt. The only way you will defeat Turkey is politcally and through direct negotiations.
You have to convince the TCs that their future is with GCs and not Turkey, you have to get them on your side which they are obviously not, if you are unable to do this and instead wait for a weakened Turkey to strike and kill innocent people then you are after vengence and not reconcilaiton and unification.

[miltiades]

Viewpoint wrote:
""You have to convince the TCs that their future is with GCs and not Turkey, you have to get them on your side which they are obviously not, if you are unable to do this and instead wait for a weakened Turkey to strike and kill innocent people then you are after vengence and not reconcilaiton and unification.""

Very well said ! And we CAN convince each other as Cypriots .

[Viewpoint]

miltiades unfortunately I dont share your hope...we have time and time again convinced each other of exactly the opposite thats why my belief is the clean break of agreed partition.

[miltiades]

How about recognition , because the majority of Cypriots will not accept partition. Are you willing to be an isolated state for ever , already more than half of T/Cs have emigrated , how long before the other half do so too.
You are wrong VP. Our country is your country we are all Cypriots.

[Kifeas]

Viewpoint, stop wasting yours and our time! The solution you dream about won’t happen! We will never gift you any part of our historical country so that you establish your TC partitionist entity, neither there is a chance you will ever get recognition of what you now illegally occupy, nor Turkey will be able to hold for ever onto Cyprus! Get real and see what is happening around you! If you haven’t managed to achieve what you have illegitimately dreamed and aspired during all these past years, there is no way you will succeed doing so from now on! Forget all you have been told or thought about all along -as they were all a bunch of illegitimacies, and try to get used to the idea that they were all an illusion that your leadership tried to make them look as real. Stop wasting your time (and ours) with your nonsense, and, if you want peace, try to find ways to live in the same country with the GCs, since it is their country too and they have been here way before you -and this is evident in every little corner you turn around and look at in the occupied north, otherwise and in the end you will lose everything and will have to go and permanently live in Turkey. Stop being greedy and provocative, because one day you will pay for it dearly!

[Viewpoint]

How about recognition , because the majority of Cypriots will not accept partition. Are you willing to be an isolated state for ever , already more than half of T/Cs have emigrated , how long before the other half do so too.
You are wrong VP. Our country is your country we are all Cypriots.

You are one of the most optimistic people I have ever met, you obviously block out what has gone on before and dont allow this to guide or show you that we Cypriots are not able or willing to share a room let alone a country. You have still to convince me and other TCs that reunification is viable and that we would better off with GCs than Turkey and not just be assimilated into a larger GC population and thus live under GC rule.

Take actions and show us.....feel free no one is stopping you..(please dont give me the same the army rhetoric, weve heard it so many times before).

[miltiades]

Well VP , a large percentage of T/Cs are no longer in Cyprus , why ? Where did they emigrate to , Turkey , or Britain.
Your dream of a separate state in our country will not come to fruition , Turkey will carry on supporting you until the day comes when Europe can be clearly seen at the end of the channel. You belong in Cyprus with us , if only you accept as you just stated above """we Cypriots "" , and you know to read you saying this , is music to my ears .
In order to move ahead we must obliterate the negative elements that keep us apart and united behind the CYPRIOT identity we will achieve the utmost for our people and the future generations.
You know my views and know where I stand on the issue. I dont go back thousands of years in order to prove the ownership of our island , I have lived in the UK for a mere 45 years and yet I say that this country is my country too . The T/Cs , my countrymen , are 100% Cypriots and they should begin to accept this, the sooner the better , the same of course applies to my G/C brothers.

[Viewpoint]

Viewpoint, stop wasting yours and our time! The solution you dream about won’t happen! We will never gift you any part of our historical country so that you establish your TC partitionist entity, neither there is a chance you will ever get recognition of what you now illegally occupy, nor Turkey will be able to hold for ever onto Cyprus! Get real and see what is happening around you! If you haven’t managed to achieve what you have illegitimately dreamed and aspired during all these past years, there is no way you will succeed doing so from now on! Forget all you have been told or thought about all along -as they were all a bunch of illegitimacies, and try to get used to the idea that they were all an illusion that your leadership tried to make them look as real. Stop wasting your time (and ours) with your nonsense, and, if you want peace, try to find ways to live in the same country with the GCs, since it is their country too and they have been here way before you -and this is evident in every little corner you turn around and look at in the occupied north, otherwise and in the end you will lose everything and will have to go and permanently live in Turkey. Stop being greedy and provocative, because one day you will pay for it dearly!

This is your view and I will respect it, its doesnt necessarily make it right. As for gifting part of Cyprus to me, well thanks very generous of you when you consider part of that gift is already mine.
Im the one whos gotten real and can see and live the partition we have today, its you that is blind to borders we have between us not just physically but mentally. We have achieved our own state allbeit unrecognized with all it organs functioning as per other nations, this frightens you to death and what have you been able to do reunite us? last attempt i seem to recall it was you who said NO....
As for the Greek Cypriot relics in the north you are right they are very beautiful and we enjoy them to the full, but so do the Amerians enjoy the native indian history and the Austrlians the Aborjini history, this does not change the reality on the ground that you do not see you ahve 2 communities which have been unable to reconcile differences and want to build a united Cyprus. Why force and unhappy marriage beween 2 unwilling partners when you can have 2 happy seperate states side by side.
As for wasting time if you do not have time to listen my viewpoint then what are you doing on this forum ? I thought the whole idea of being here was exactly that to try and understand the other sides views and concerns. You obviously dont want to know about our concerns as you are fixed in your own blinkered world.

[Viewpoint]

Well VP , a large percentage of T/Cs are no longer in Cyprus , why ? Where did they emigrate to , Turkey , or Britain.
Your dream of a separate state in our country will not come to fruition , Turkey will carry on supporting you until the day comes when Europe can be clearly seen at the end of the channel. You belong in Cyprus with us , if only you accept as you just stated above """we Cypriots "" , and you know to read you saying this , is music to my ears .
In order to move ahead we must obliterate the negative elements that keep us apart and united behind the CYPRIOT identity we will achieve the utmost for our people and the future generations.
You know my views and know where I stand on the issue. I dont go back thousands of years in order to prove the ownership of our island , I have lived in the UK for a mere 45 years and yet I say that this country is my country too . The T/Cs , my countrymen , are 100% Cypriots and they should begin to accept this, the sooner the better , the same of course applies to my G/C brothers.

Miltiades I didnt put "" on Cypriot as this upsets you so therefore I try to avoid this but you have lived in the UK for to long please come back and settle here on the island and feel free to visit the north if you can get over the mental barrier of showing id at the borders. We have all moved on in 45 years we are not those farmers who exchanged honey for eggs everything has changed. The youth from both sides dont care about the Cyprus problem they only care about their pocket money and which expensive car they will drive and which bar they will go drink and dance the night away.
Life can pretty much stay like this for many more years to come as if there is no alternative which is better than the TRNC even in its current form there will be no change. As i stated before if the GCs cannot convince or show the TCs they are better off uniting with them than they are continuing with Turkey then dont expect much to change, not in our life times anyway. People from both sides dont view themselves has one Cypriot people, this culture has not evolved due to seperation and constant negative air from the GC community. Feel free to make changes that will improve this air and you will reep the benefits other you havent a chnac ein hell of getting the sides together.

[Kifeas]

Viewpoint, stop wasting yours and our time! The solution you dream about won’t happen! We will never gift you any part of our historical country so that you establish your TC partitionist entity, neither there is a chance you will ever get recognition of what you now illegally occupy, nor Turkey will be able to hold for ever onto Cyprus! Get real and see what is happening around you! If you haven’t managed to achieve what you have illegitimately dreamed and aspired during all these past years, there is no way you will succeed doing so from now on! Forget all you have been told or thought about all along -as they were all a bunch of illegitimacies, and try to get used to the idea that they were all an illusion that your leadership tried to make them look as real. Stop wasting your time (and ours) with your nonsense, and, if you want peace, try to find ways to live in the same country with the GCs, since it is their country too and they have been here way before you -and this is evident in every little corner you turn around and look at in the occupied north, otherwise and in the end you will lose everything and will have to go and permanently live in Turkey. Stop being greedy and provocative, because one day you will pay for it dearly!

This is your view and I will respect it, its doesnt necessarily make it right. As for gifting part of Cyprus to me, well thanks very generous of you when you consider part of that gift is already mine.
Im the one whos gotten real and can see and live the partition we have today, its you that is blind to borders we have between us not just physically but mentally. We have achieved our own state allbeit unrecognized with all it organs functioning as per other nations, this frightens you to death and what have you been able to do reunite us? last attempt i seem to recall it was you who said NO....
As for the Greek Cypriot relics in the north you are right they are very beautiful and we enjoy them to the full, but so do the Amerians enjoy the native indian history and the Austrlians the Aborjini history, this does not change the reality on the ground that you do not see you ahve 2 communities which have been unable to reconcile differences and want to build a united Cyprus. Why force and unhappy marriage beween 2 unwilling partners when you can have 2 happy seperate states side by side.
As for wasting time if you do not have time to listen my viewpoint then what are you doing on this forum ? I thought the whole idea of being here was exactly that to try and understand the other sides views and concerns. You obviously dont want to know about our concerns as you are fixed in your own blinkered world.

Viewpoint, I fuck the Americans, I fuck the Australians and I fuck your distorted, warped, pervasive and illogical theories! They are nonsense only suitable for toilet reading! You do not seem to want peace, and one day you are going have to pay for it! We are a very resilient people, and we have enough patience to wait for you by the corner -like a fox and for centuries if it will be necessary, until you make the mistake and poke your head out of your cage. If you want peace, try to deprogram your brainwashed brain, and stop trying to steal our homeland and our history in order to forward your fascist /nationalist /kemalist irredentist illusions! Go to Turkey (or better go to hell,) and make your state there!