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[Natty]

and was horrified to hear of the suffering of the Cypriot people at the hands of British and American governments, who had little interest in Cyprus other than for their own means.

I have to say, after researching the 'Cyprus problem' I have to say that the above paragraph is true to a large extent....

[Natty]

America and Britain often interfere in things that are nothing to do with them, just for getting something out of the situation for themself.

If we should be involved, then we should do it for the right reasons, and not for what our nation can get out of it.

Again, true...

Welcome to the forum Mandie Sahmbi!!

[rotate]

Ha ha to the bloody lot of you , you now loosing your our stupid argument you have to turn the table on somebody who cannot answer back, well their are thousand's of us who are ready and willing to defend Our British heritage(by the way I will defend Cyprus when I'm there in any way shape or form) and our Queen from the lot of you, so I say this Bring it on.

bear

Blimey Bear, Bring on what exactly?
Anyone with an interest or an affinity with Cyprus can join this forum and those who have been the butt of a ribald joke or worse are at liberty to confound their critics on the forum by the power of constructive argument.
No one can be above critiscism, even poor old 'Tommy Atkins' up to his neck in muck and bullets while enjoying a tin of plum jam for his Christmas dinner in France some eighty odd years ago was known to complain about his commanders. Being able to criticise and make jokes about those in authority is a corner stone of 'our' common British Heritage, something that my English Father, my Cypriot Father-in-law and my Grandfathers fought for in two world wars!

Someone quite famous once said that 'the first casualty of war is truth'. One persons truth may well be anothers lie, but for those who believe in the democratic institutions the right of an individual to speak the truth as they see it without being stood up against a wall and shot has to be defended if we ourselves are not going to descend into the same pit of hate that those who now seek to destroy us currently inhabit.
The majority of today's conflicts started with an injustice made worse by the passage of time and the rousing of those who seek power, 'our' common British Heritage would be better put to good use in trying to resolve those injustice's that created the conflicts in the first place!

By all means be prepared to defend The Queen Britain The President and Cyprus but for fucks sake keep the safety catch on until you can see the whites of their eye's and know who the enemy is, lest the wrong person gets shot starting yet another round of injustice hate and horror that will haunt the world for generations to come.

[Mandie Sehmbi]

Thanks for the welcome Natty. I am enjoying the forum so far, and happy to contribute when I can.

Hi to you all!!!!

[dancingbear]

but for those who believe in the democratic institutions the right of an individual to speak the truth as they see it without being stood up against a wall and shot

I totally agree, so why is it only the muslims who feel pissed off, and why cannot Bush & Blair be telling the truth, why o why is the so called truth always one sided.

Bear

[Kikapu]

why cannot Bush & Blair be telling the truth,

Why can't Bush and Blair tell the truth...is it because they are committing crimes.??

[miltiades]

DB , Most of the people on this forum regard Blair and Bush as the terrorists, such idiotic mentalities are the by product of constant propaganda by the the media and TV stations. They are blind to the fact that the war on terror was necessary to defeat the evil ideology that wants to destroy our western world values and replace them with medieval practices , some of which are still going on in some Middle Eastern countries as we talk.How can any civilized individual accept the barbaric practices so wide spread in these nations and more so , how can any one deny the most precious gift of all , our right to speak , criticize without fearing for our lives. I was born a Christian , I WAS BABTISED ,. it is my choice to beleive or not , it is my choice to convert to any religion that takes my fancy without fearing for my life. These are the principles that are been fought by Bush and Blair.

9/11 was the turning point , the giant was awaken and the misguided evil terrorists will not win, their agenda is anathema to all humanity , to all religions.

[Kikapu]

DB , Most of the people on this forum regard Blair and Bush as the terrorists, such idiotic mentalities are the by product of constant propaganda by the the media and TV stations. They are blind to the fact that the war on terror was necessary to defeat the evil ideology that wants to destroy our western world values and replace them with medieval practices , some of which are still going on in some Middle Eastern countries as we talk.How can any civilized individual accept the barbaric practices so wide spread in these nations and more so , how can any one deny the most precious gift of all , our right to speak , criticize without fearing for our lives. I was born a Christian , I WAS BABTISED ,. it is my choice to beleive or not , it is my choice to convert to any religion that takes my fancy without fearing for my life. These are the principles that are been fought by Bush and Blair.

9/11 was the turning point , the giant was awaken and the misguided evil terrorists will not win, their agenda is anathema to all humanity , to all religions.

So, in order to settle the score against terrorist, who were in Afghanistan, we paid them a quick visit, then made a B line straight to IRAQ. I can understand if we finished the job in Afghanistan, but you lose your argument as soon as we went to Iraq to fight terrorism, because there were non, except for our old friend Saddam, who was contained.

Iraq now has become a trainning ground for terrorist. It's the best trainning ground that we help create, that could not have happened under Saddam. I thought we were fighting terrorism.?? No, we're helping them master their art of killing. Look at poor Israel, have just returned back home with their tail between their legs, because they could not even defeat a "rag tag" outfit like the Hezbollah, after losing over 100 Israeli soldiers, just as the US and UK can not defeat the forces in Iraq after losing 2,700 soldiers combined with all their fancy weapons. Oh, we can kill thousands of innocent and destroy their town, but not the enemy. Yes, we have helped the terrorist re-train themselves to fight us better. That's why Bush and Blair are criminals, for the deaths of our brave soldiers to go and fight a war that was not needed, and for the thousands of innocent that too was not needed. In the meantime, North Korea has built the Nuclear bombs, while we were too busy screwing around in Iraq. Thanks a lot Bush and Blair.

[dancingbear]

Kikapu,
Iraq now has become a trainning ground for terrorist..... Better to fight on our terms than theirs. Afghanistan , my son has just returned from a 7 month tour, he says the true Afghan people are not a problem and actually really dislike the Taleban who are the Enemy of all mankind. With regards to 2, 700 lost well me old sunshine the UK where ready to loose up to 7,ooo (during the actual main thrust)so the lost of just 120 or so over three years is a result(if you just looking at Numbers) when I was posted in Germany in the 80's we (Army) lost over 100 in accidents in one year.
Bear

[Landis]

yes but violence breeds violence..........
there was always terrorsim amongst our society but ever since 9/11 and then the invasion of Iraq it seems that is all we hear - the situation will only get worse
just wait and see

We are hearing more because it is happening more. We are more attuned to the threat of terror than we once were. You are right that it will get worse. Terrorists thrive on the death and destruction they heap upon the world and the reaction that their actions create. The entire world has a duty to stop the ideology of these hate mongers. They do not understand anything other than violence. The so called moderate Muslims do nothing to condemn terrorists but fall all other themselves criticizing those who do condemn it as racist and intolerant. What hypocrisy. So many Muslims crying out about their women and children lying in bloody bits but they do not show the slightest concern for non-Muslim casualities. These are people who are proud that their sons and daughters blow themselves and others up. Martyrs for jihad! Jihad by the sword is what the terrorists practise and it all comes down to waging war on infidels, which means to them that anyone who is not Muslim is an enemy.

Anatasia you show tolerance and acceptance because that is how you were raised and it is the world in which you live but I guarantee you that if you are not Muslim, they have no tolerance for you. All violence is condemnable but all violence is not created equal. I will never equate the violence of suicide bombings to that of civilians casualities in a just war.

If Islam is so beautiful and peaceful, why are Muslims not condemnig the actions of the Islamic terrorists? It will never end because ideology has to change and great numbers of Muslims are remaining silent. Because of their silent, it is impossible to believe that there are moderate Muslims. They are loathe to condemn anything their fellow believers do. Refusal to see any wrong in themselve or their actions. Crying out over the west's materialism and greed while believing that murder will get them riches in paradise.