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[cypezokyli]

an interesting article (in greek). the article actually came from the NY times.

http://www.phileleftheros.com/main/main ... &id=428521

it sais in short , that moderates muslims are furious with the US because with their actions their are breeding terrorists. that the US actions is practically working against any moderate muslim to come to power.

once again, had bush and blair read any basic history book they should have been able to predict that violence only result to more violence. i am pretty sure that hizbollah knows that , and that that is their target.

if bush cannot see that he is more just stupid
if e can see that , than he is dangerous.

[miltiades]

And if you can not see the poison of this fanatical ideology , you are naive. These lunatics have as their target the establishment of a prehistoric culture in Europe and the world with women dressed in black from head to toe and men with long beards weird dress sense and compulsorily spitting in the road.
What did Bush do before 9/11 ??
Cant you see the danger that the entire world is facing , a danger far greater than the Nazis , the enemy within unchecked plagiarized culturally inferior with one aim in life to die as martyrs.These are the fanatics that Bush and Blair are fighting not the moderate Muslims , and it is time now that the Muslim leaders in the world put their heads together and decide what action they ought to take in order to eradicate the fanatics who are causing so much harm to their faith.

[cypezokyli]

And if you can not see the poison of this fanatical ideology , you are naive. These lunatics have as their target the establishment of a prehistoric culture in Europe and the world with women dressed in black from head to toe and men with long beards weird dress sense and compulsorily spitting in the road.
What did Bush do before 9/11 ??
Cant you see the danger that the entire world is facing , a danger far greater than the Nazis , the enemy within unchecked plagiarized culturally inferior with one aim in life to die as martyrs.These are the fanatics that Bush and Blair are fighting not the moderate Muslims , and it is time now that the Muslim leaders in the world put their heads together and decide what action they ought to take in order to eradicate the fanatics who are causing so much harm to their faith.

get over the "ideology" wars.
wars are done for money and / or power. ideologies , religions , nationalism are simply used to mobilize the masses. i dont know how many times i need to repeat that. the terrorists and the antiterrorists are not a good and a bad ideology, but two groups fighting over the control of the middle east.

you are insisting that the reasons for terrorism is simply an "ideology". i would suggest to you to start expanding your knowledge beyond CNN. when people are poor the chances for civil wars, or terrorist groups to evolve are higher. when a foreign power attackes another country it is natural that the people will support any form of resistance against the invador. in cases of continued thread of war , the moderates donot have any chance to be elected simply bc they are delegitimised by being labbeled as traitors. if one wants to support the moderates then the first step should be stop attacking, threatening and making poor.

the only thing israel achieved by this attack , was killing innocent people, destroying the infrastructure of lebanon and most probably increasing the support for hizbollah. not to mention that the two soldiers are still in captivity. a simple exchange of prisoners would have achieved that much more piecefully.
but israel wanted (among other things) to show who is the strongest. and the fact that it also failed to do that, is likely to cause even more problems.
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and no i cannot compare the nazi danger with the allegged terrorist danger. the two things are simply not comparable. for obvious reasons i hope

[miltiades]

Absolute rubbish when you state the following:

"""dont know how many times i need to repeat that. the terrorists and the antiterrorists are not a good and a bad ideology, but two groups fighting over the control of the middle east. """

9/11 WAS EITHER GOOD OR BAD ACCORDING TO YOUR IDEOLOGY AND IT WAS BETWEEN TWO GROUPS GIGHTING OVER CONTROL IN THE M.E,
I have never encountered such preposterous comparisons in all of my 60 years .

Israel could have wiped out the Hezbollah but it would have meant killing thousands of innocent civilians , because Hezbollah , as every one apart from you , knows was using civilian homes , buildings from which to unleash their rockets , carefully targeting them to avoid civilian ares !!!!
You Cyperzokyli , need to re think your ideas and you have not one iota of common sense to offer me.
You did after all compare EOKA to the suicide savages adding also that we did not have video cameras at the time so that EOKA would film the slitting of throats and post the film on to www.eoka.cy

[cypezokyli]

OK....

[Natty]

I believe that there are a few people that attack because of their idiology...but I have to agree, that American and British foriegn policy is making more young and impressionable people become more drawn to these groups and organisations....

Mr Bush has made things simply "Freedom or Terroism", but it's way more complicated than that...

[cypezokyli]

according to the british newspaper , the quardian :

UN explosives experts have identified 10 places where Israeli guns have fired cluster bombs on southern Lebanon and fear there could be many more of the devices, a human rights group said yesterday.

As Human Rights Watch warned that the sites could be the "tip of the iceberg", UN officials reported yesterday that two children were killed by a cluster bomb explosion in the town of Naqoura.


Cluster bombs are notorious for leaving many unexploded bomblets, and human rights groups have repeatedly insisted the weapons should be banned. The bomblets are often encased in packaging attractive to inquisitive children and they kill or maim if touched.

full article here :
http://www.guardian.co.uk/syria/story/0 ... 48,00.html

tires of making any more comments

[dancingbear]

Human Rights Group.... less said the better (in my opinion)

Natty, why cannot I feel bloody angry, hateful, really pissed off about Yasser Arafat(mudering thug now dead thankfully)for all the killing he and his party did, Islamist extremist and all the other so called murdering bastards who kill their own for the fun off it, then reap bloody havoc in our Major Cities like London (7/7) New York(9/11) Madrid, Spain and so on, Why o Bloody well Why, cannot we go out there and hand out summery justice to these Murdering thugs,Why all the liberal thinking peace loving sandal wearing brigade give a second thought to these people is behond me.

If you can stomach it, look at their Murdering website and see the suffering they are inflicting on their own people, men women,children lined up mowed down others beheaded, all Muslims but just happen to belong to other sect's.

Bear

[Kikapu]

Human Rights Group.... less said the better (in my opinion)

Natty, why cannot I feel bloody angry, hateful, really pissed off about Yasser Arafat(mudering thug now dead thankfully)for all the killing he and his party did, Islamist extremist and all the other so called murdering bastards who kill their own for the fun off it, then reap bloody havoc in our Major Cities like London (7/7) New York(9/11) Madrid, Spain and so on, Why o Bloody well Why, cannot we go out there and hand out summery justice to these Murdering thugs,Why all the liberal thinking peace loving sandal wearing brigade give a second thought to these people is behond me.

If you can stomach it, look at their Murdering website and see the suffering they are inflicting on their own people, men women,children lined up mowed down others beheaded, all Muslims but just happen to belong to other sect's.

Bear

DB,

I've been busy for few days, so needless to say, I have neglected you, so for that, I appologize. Since your family has been (is) in the military and have served our country, so for that, I thank you all.

From few posts that I have read of yours, you come across a very racist person. If you're going to pick on Arafat, then pick on the things he did, which was mainly plane hijackings and fighting the Israelis for occupying his land and people. Where the hell do you connect him with Madrid, London, 9/11. I thought our troops were free thinking individuals, but turns out, they listen to what ever shit they are told by their leaders.

Why is it that, you only see the Arabs as criminals and murderers. Don't you ever bother to ask questions to the people you like, mostly the Westerners, as to why they are also killing the Arabs, usually at a rate of 10 to 1 ratio. Just by being a "good soldier" should not stop you from doing your duty as a human being, when injustices are committed by your country and the countries she forms alliances with. Lets take Iraq for example. The whole world knows that the UK and USA lied to everyone to get into that war. Don't you think, all those soldiers that died were in vein. Where do you see the moral justification in killing thousands of civilians. Is it because you're a military men, that you're able to stomach all this. Where is your anger to your leaders that has put our soldiers at harms way. What was the reason for going into Iraq?. You must know, so please tell us from a military mans point of view. Instead, you want to talk about Arafat. Yes, the racist in you, must run very deep.

[dancingbear]

Kikapu,
Good, Good but so bloody wrong on all accounts, by the way do you know the colour of my skin? come on God let me know.
Arabs, I visit and have quite frequently visited Tunisia I love the place and the people.

Last I heard the UN sanctioned the War in Iraq.

So its bad if the Military kill Civillians but ok for Muslim extremist to Mass slaughter thousands upon thousands of their Kin folk, Arafat was just one of those murdering thugs and I for one was ashamed to be British when Jack Straw went to his Funeral.Now if you come on here and defend these bastards then you Sir are the Biggest Bastard of the lot. With that last statement I conclude this thread.
Bear