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[stuballstu]

Alexis

The numbers have been bounded about before on previous threads. 18% of the population is not always 18% of the land ownership.

Certain members of this forum really do get on my humph when they in one post say that Cyprus is for all Cypriots then go on to accuse Turkish Cypriots of "theft". How can they steal something of which they are a partner of?


Kifeas

Check out the laws of how a Turkish Cypriot re claims their land back. You may be very surprised. It is not secret that TC's were actively encouraged to leave Cyprus in the 60's and early 70's due to the quest for ENOSIS.

[Alexis]

Certain members of this forum really do get on my humph when they in one post say that Cyprus is for all Cypriots then go on to accuse Turkish Cypriots of "theft". How can they steal something of which they are a partner of?

The last thing I want to do here is accuse the TC community of theft.
My point stuball is to do with partition. If TCs want an independent state in Cyprus which they are going to call 'Turkish' and which blatently prohibits involvement from the other partner on the island then they are no longer partners and as such a settlement must be reached between the two parties rather like a divorce. It is at this point that the numbers game is invoked, or for that matter the land-ownership game which was in 1963 fairly well documented in terms of title deeds. This for me is exactly what I don't want to happen to this island and that is why I would rather see unification.

Certain members of this forum really do get on my humph when they in one post say that Cyprus is for all Cypriots then go on to accuse Turkish Cypriots of "theft". How can they steal something of which they are a partner of?

Please don't take offense but you would do well to try and see the issue from their point of view. You equally well rub many GC members of this forum up by insisting that Enosis is the cause of all Cyprus' ills (which perhaps it was at one time), when it has clearly not been a serious consideration for the majority of the GC community for almost 40 years.
From the GC point of view partition of the island has caused just as many problems for them and is the de facto situation we find ourselves in today.

[Kifeas]

Alexis

The numbers have been bounded about before on previous threads. 18% of the population is not always 18% of the land ownership.

Certain members of this forum really do get on my humph when they in one post say that Cyprus is for all Cypriots then go on to accuse Turkish Cypriots of "theft". How can they steal something of which they are a partner of?


Kifeas

Check out the laws of how a Turkish Cypriot re claims their land back. You may be very surprised. It is not secret that TC's were actively encouraged to leave Cyprus in the 60's and early 70's due to the quest for ENOSIS.

Stuballstu, what do you mean "18% of the population is not always 18% of the land ownership?" Do you mean that because the TCs were owners of only 12.3% of the territory of Cyprus, that they must get only this amount? Is this what you want to say?

Yes, Cyprus is for all Cypriots, and not any separate part of it belongs to any one of the two communities exclusively, but when the TCs occupy illegally the 37% of it alone, and they claim that they should have the right to set up their own exclusively TC state in it (in the land that belongs also to the GCs and out of which 200,000 have been ethnically cleansed,) then of course they are thieves! What else can they be described?

As for the laws on TC properties in the south and how they can claim them back, the current laws of the RoC say that those that left Cyprus before 1974 and emigrated abroad, or their descendants, may claim their properties without any restitution, provided they prove that they indeed left before 1974 and they did not in any case moved into the occupied north after 1974 and took any GC properties there. Those that left from the south and moved to the north after 1974, may apply for re-institution if they come and live in the south for at last 6 months, provided they do not at the same time make any use of GC property in the north, or they have usurped and sold any such GC property in the north. Is this what you wanted to say?

[Piratis]

stuballstu wrote

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Lets look at some facts shall we. The ECHR asked Turkey and the Turkish Cypriots to have a system of restitution for Greek Cypriot owned property

The Piratis response
You say you will talk about facts and you start with a big fat lie, as usual. Where did they ECHR ask Turkish Cypriots to make such system? The ECHR asked from Turkey to make it, since Turkey is the one that maintains the illegal occupation force on the soil od Republic of Cyprus.

A big fat lie?? Indeed not

ECHR asked Turkey to provide a "local" remedy to Greek Cypriot property claims. They in turn asked the TC government to do so (No one recognises the TRNC except Turkey as we already know so the ECHR could not aske them directly even if they wanted to).

Where is the lie??

highlited is the answer, and is clear.

How mis-guided can ones posts get? TC's never stole anything. How can they steal something of which they were partners of??? Is it back to the numbers game now? 18% of the population = 18% of the land does it.
Please Piratis please stop cutting and pasting old posts, any chance you can post some new material?

Since when they were partners on Kifeas home in Kerynia, or the other 200.000 refugees they ethnically cleansed???
Does it mean that if I get a gun and kick everybody from their homes in my neighborhood and declare them mine that it will be ok?

And if I own the 18% of the shares of a company, can I now go and take as hostage 1/3rd of their stores and offices and tell them that either they give me the 50% of the shares or I will continue acting in criminal and illegal ways???

Do you have any more ridiculous arguments?

As from me repeating the same things, I am unfortunately force to, since you repeat the same ridiculous arguments. Just accept that the Turkish occupation is illegal, that in Cyprus there is only one state, the Republic of Cyprus, things that are FACTS denied only by the Turks and then it will not be any reason for me to repeat anything.
When you insist on Turkish propaganda crap then you will get your answers either you like them or not.

Piratis your good at scourcing information, you check out the property laws of the ROC regards restitution of TC property and prove me wrong.

So you made an argument that you can not prove and you expect me to bother and waste my time to "prove you wrong"? The Burden of Proof rests with the one that makes a claim. If you didn't know that then you have now learned something. I hope your pro Turkish fanaticism does not prohibit you to accept everything taught to you by a Greek Cypriot

[Kikapu]

[As for the laws on TC properties in the south and how they can claim them back, the current laws of the RoC say that those that left Cyprus before 1974 and emigrated abroad, or their descendants, may claim their properties without any restitution, provided they prove that they indeed left before 1974 and they did not in any case moved into the occupied north after 1974 and took any GC properties there.?

Kifeas,

Where can I get the official information on the above rules, because we do have a little bit ( very little) of land which my mother still have the deeds with her. All the rules you wrote above, we do qualify. Thanks.

[Kifeas]

[As for the laws on TC properties in the south and how they can claim them back, the current laws of the RoC say that those that left Cyprus before 1974 and emigrated abroad, or their descendants, may claim their properties without any restitution, provided they prove that they indeed left before 1974 and they did not in any case moved into the occupied north after 1974 and took any GC properties there.?

Kifeas,

Where can I get the official information on the above rules, because we do have a little bit ( very little) of land which my mother still have the deeds with her. All the rules you wrote above, we do qualify. Thanks.

You may send a message to the department of Lands and surveys and ask information about your properties and what ou can do.

http://www.moi.gov.cy/moi/dls/dls.nsf/d ... enDocument

[Kikapu]

[As for the laws on TC properties in the south and how they can claim them back, the current laws of the RoC say that those that left Cyprus before 1974 and emigrated abroad, or their descendants, may claim their properties without any restitution, provided they prove that they indeed left before 1974 and they did not in any case moved into the occupied north after 1974 and took any GC properties there.?

Kifeas,

Where can I get the official information on the above rules, because we do have a little bit ( very little) of land which my mother still have the deeds with her. All the rules you wrote above, we do qualify. Thanks.

You may send a message to the department of Lands and surveys and ask information about your properties and what ou can do.

http://www.moi.gov.cy/moi/dls/dls.nsf/d ... enDocument

Thank you very much.

[Kifeas]

Alexis

The numbers have been bounded about before on previous threads. 18% of the population is not always 18% of the land ownership.

Certain members of this forum really do get on my humph when they in one post say that Cyprus is for all Cypriots then go on to accuse Turkish Cypriots of "theft". How can they steal something of which they are a partner of?


Kifeas

Check out the laws of how a Turkish Cypriot re claims their land back. You may be very surprised. It is not secret that TC's were actively encouraged to leave Cyprus in the 60's and early 70's due to the quest for ENOSIS.

Stuballstu, what do you mean "18% of the population is not always 18% of the land ownership?" Do you mean that because the TCs were owners of only 12.3% of the territory of Cyprus, that they must get only this amount? Is this what you want to say?

Yes, Cyprus is for all Cypriots, and not any separate part of it belongs to any one of the two communities exclusively, but when the TCs occupy illegally the 37% of it alone, and they claim that they should have the right to set up their own exclusively TC state in it (in the land that belongs also to the GCs and out of which 200,000 have been ethnically cleansed,) then of course they are thieves! What else can they be described?

As for the laws on TC properties in the south and how they can claim them back, the current laws of the RoC say that those that left Cyprus before 1974 and emigrated abroad, or their descendants, may claim their properties without any restitution, provided they prove that they indeed left before 1974 and they did not in any case moved into the occupied north after 1974 and took any GC properties there. Those that left from the south and moved to the north after 1974, may apply for re-institution if they come and live in the south for at last 6 months, provided they do not at the same time make any use of GC property in the north, or they have usurped and sold any such GC property in the north. Is this what you wanted to say?

Stuballstu doesn't seem to want to give me a reply to the above queries.

[stuballstu]

Kifeas

Sorry was off line for a couple of weeks on holiday i was not ignoring you and i am just catching up with some threads. I am off out in 5 mins to drink a truckload of KEO so will reply to you as comprehensively as possible tomorrow as a 5 minutes is not enough to answer all you points.