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[growuptcs]

hey rolo,
Honestly, I have no idea what the % of true TCs still living in Cyprus, but I would assume its more than 9%. Sorry to say, but thats not an important issue to me at all. Equality is. Even though there wasn't enough equality before 1974, I wasn't old enough to know what we were depriving you from. I just know that today I understand the equality that we're offering you that not only are you resisting, but are also trying to capitalize on an even worse, discriminating tactic. I just can't understand where you really see the peace to what your pushing and fighting for. Your doing what your parents do to the obvious that don't suit them by just "playing dumb". Give us a little more respect if you want the same back.

[Pyrpolizer]

I posted this positive piece to see if would attract any response from GCs obviously they do not want to acknoledge anything we say in their favor. Very sad state of affairs.

There are times after a hard days work, with all this heat, that one pushes his brain to work yet nothing happens. Last night I was reading again and again Rolo’s posts trying to understand where the heck this guy gets his assumptions from, got really dizzy. Then saw your post read half of it, got more dizzy and confused, couldn’t understand a thing…

Thanks for pointing us your post. Not that I am less tired today, but after reading it again I understood it is generally a possitive post! although I don’t agree with the terminology used e.g. "exchanged land". Land is NOT exchanged without the consent of both parties concerned. I also don’t agree with the expectations you have about the so called "property commission". I bet this commission will be disolved very soon. It was only created to throw dust in the eyes of ECHR judges, and hence will dissolve as soon as this effort is proven failed.

Regardless, your post is generally possitive, with lots of good points . Keep up the good work.

[Pyrpolizer]

from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Politics_of_Cyprus

this source is neither greek or turkish funded i assume, so it seems logical to accept. It seems however that when the figures keep evolving it might be right to, at somepoint question them, unless you have vested interest to the contrary.

Wikipedia is a place everyone can get in and write whatever he likes.
If you doubt the number of GC refugees you can make your own estimate:37% of Cyprus, those areas were densily populated and then figure it out.

So Where do you get your figures from?

Everyone is free to check the electoral catalogues. Refugees vote separately. The exact number of refugees at 1974 was known and could be checked within seconds. From memory they were about 180,000. The total number for me is just a number. I am a refugee and I am one unit. That’s what counts for me.Same for my brothers sisters parents uncles etc.

Oh and as for the now 9% tc population well check the following link.

The exact number of TCs and the exact number of settlers will only be known once your side accepts a sensus under UN or international supervision. It is true that many TCs abandoned the place after 1974, I personally met many TCs after the borders opened and told me they would leave unless there was a solution soon. So if the TCs were 18% in 1974 one would expect them to be much less today.

hey im not hung up about facts and figures. it just seems that figures keep changing and always one way. But i remember reading in this forum something along the lines that only a handful of turkish idiots were killed under the Makarios years.

I can assure you less TCs died during those years than those who die from car accidents. Hint: About 120 people die every year from car accidents in ROC. Your turn to tell me how many TCs died from 1960-1974 and how many GCs during that period.

[Kikapu]

Turkish Cypriots remain as such, no matter where on Earth we live at, so if we were 18% back in 1960 in Cyprus, we're still 18% today, relationship to our Greek Cypriot friends.

[Pyrpolizer]

We were talking about the TCs left IN_Cyprus.
If we account everyone living abroad (including the GCs living abroad) that would be a different story.

[stuballstu]

Piratis

I respect your opinions and your right to express them however maybe in the future it would be advisable for you to not only read but understand what other member have written before responding.

stuballstu wrote

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Lets look at some facts shall we. The ECHR asked Turkey and the Turkish Cypriots to have a system of restitution for Greek Cypriot owned property

The Piratis response
You say you will talk about facts and you start with a big fat lie, as usual. Where did they ECHR ask Turkish Cypriots to make such system? The ECHR asked from Turkey to make it, since Turkey is the one that maintains the illegal occupation force on the soil od Republic of Cyprus.

A big fat lie?? Indeed not

ECHR asked Turkey to provide a "local" remedy to Greek Cypriot property claims. They in turn asked the TC government to do so (No one recognises the TRNC except Turkey as we already know so the ECHR could not aske them directly even if they wanted to).

Where is the lie??

Piratis wrote

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Once this has been ratified by the ECHR then it becomes the "legal" or whatever you want to call it, course of any action to be taken by a GC. The ECHR will only get involved if the GC has applied to the property comission and and is not satisfied with the outcome.


First of all, the ECHR does not decide legality or illegality. It is a court about human rights. Secondly, the ECHR has not ratified anything, except if you have dreamed this as well? What the ECHR did, is make it clear that our human rights are violated by Turkey and that this should be corrected and Turkey pay compensation for the past 32 years and give back to us our properties.

Piratis you are either mis-informed or acting ignorant. The "property commission" has been borne to give restitution which can be in the form of compensation or giving the property back.

I am not sure if the ECHR has ratified the precedures for the "Property commission", maybe other forum members will be able to confirm this or not.

Piratis wrote

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Now a TC applying to the GC for restitution has to meet many criteria.

Firstly they have to stay in the ROC government controlled areas for a minimuim of 6 months before the application can proceed.


If you ask me, no property should be given to any TC until they return the land they stole from us and they accept legality. They are the 18% and they illegally keep the 37%, why the hell should they get more?

How mis-guided can ones posts get? TC's never stole anything. How can they steal something of which they were partners of??? Is it back to the numbers game now? 18% of the population = 18% of the land does it.
Please Piratis please stop cutting and pasting old posts, any chance you can post some new material?

Piratis wrote

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They do have to be registered as being on the island in 1974 unless the property is part of the deceased owners estate. Which is proposterous as many TC's were "encouraged" to leave Cyprus in the 60's


Where is your source about the crap you are saying?

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Piratis your silence in answering your original post was deafening.

I answered already. Sorry for not wasting more time with answering to things that exist only in your imagination.

Piratis your good at scourcing information, you check out the property laws of the ROC regards restitution of TC property and prove me wrong. I find it strange that you are not questioning my original post re TC's living on the island pre 1974. As you well know through the Cyprus history TC's were encouraged to leave between the 60's and 74. Remember Enosis?

[Kifeas]

Piratis wrote

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They do have to be registered as being on the island in 1974 unless the property is part of the deceased owners estate. Which is proposterous as many TC's were "encouraged" to leave Cyprus in the 60's


Where is your source about the crap you are saying?

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Piratis your silence in answering your original post was deafening.

I answered already. Sorry for not wasting more time with answering to things that exist only in your imagination.

Piratis your good at scourcing information, you check out the property laws of the ROC regards restitution of TC property and prove me wrong. I find it strange that you are not questioning my original post re TC's living on the island pre 1974. As you well know through the Cyprus history TC's were encouraged to leave between the 60's and 74. Remember Enosis?

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Stuball, can you explain again what you are trying to say about their properties and the TCs that left before 1974?

[Viewpoint]

I can introduce you to TCs who still live in Canada and Australia, they can clarify exactly how they were encouraged to leave the island and who paid for their tickets, no other than your religious spiritual and political leader Makarious and his cronies.

[miltiades]

Kikapu
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""Turkish Cypriots remain as such, no matter where on Earth we live at, so if we were 18% back in 1960 in Cyprus, we're still 18% today, relationship to our Greek Cypriot friends.""

Kikapu as far as Im concerned you are part of the 100% of Cypriots .

[Alexis]

Is it back to the numbers game now? 18% of the population = 18% of the land does it.

hi stuball,

I'm afraid it always does come down to the numbers game whenever we talk about partition of the island. This is something that, from the GC point at least, is crucial to solving the Cyprus problem. Any solution that involves dividing the island or placing geographical restrictions on the different ethnic groups on the island in the long run must take into account the numbers, otherwise how else do you decide things. I'm afraid that whichever way you slice the cake it will come down to the numbers.