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[Kifeas]

They do have to be registered as being on the island in 1974 unless the property is part of the deceased owners estate. Which is proposterous as many TC's were "encouraged" to leave Cyprus in the 60's

Can you clarify the above, because I think you are somewhere making a mistake? Those that left Cyprus before 1974, and /or their descendants have immediate possession right, without having the stay for the minimum of 6 months in the south.

It was documented at the time the figure was around 140,000 refugees who were actually displaced.

The refugee number was 162,000, plus another 15,000 in the Karpasia peninsula that initially remained there as "enclaves" during the first few years after 1974, but later became refugees too.

[Viewpoint]

Arent we TCs being unfair with this land issue? How can we expect the "RoC" to give back property that is being used by refugees until a solution is found when we are not prepared to give their property back in the north. If the new property commission is given the green light by the ECHR and we start processing applications sucessfully and not just giving the GCs the run around then the pressure will be on the GC administration to resolve TCs claims. My concern is the greedy individuals who have exchanged land in the south for land in the north sold this land and then try to claim and sell the same land they exchanged in the south. They are free to cross south live there for six months and then claim using their old title deeds. As far as I know there is no mechanism in place to detect the TCs that have actually exchanged their land and therefore given up all rights to the TRNC. Both sides have to realize there is a potential risk involved and this is a great opportunity to work together to ensure these loop holes are not exploited. Its one thing expecting GC to accept a financial settlement for used land but its totally another matter saying we will keep all your land but we also want our land back in the south as well. This I cant agree with.

I posted this positive piece to see if would attract any response from GCs obviously they do not want to acknoledge anything we say in their favor. Very sad state of affairs.

[andri_cy]

Arent we TCs being unfair with this land issue? How can we expect the "RoC" to give back property that is being used by refugees until a solution is found when we are not prepared to give their property back in the north. If the new property commission is given the green light by the ECHR and we start processing applications sucessfully and not just giving the GCs the run around then the pressure will be on the GC administration to resolve TCs claims. My concern is the greedy individuals who have exchanged land in the south for land in the north sold this land and then try to claim and sell the same land they exchanged in the south. They are free to cross south live there for six months and then claim using their old title deeds. As far as I know there is no mechanism in place to detect the TCs that have actually exchanged their land and therefore given up all rights to the TRNC. Both sides have to realize there is a potential risk involved and this is a great opportunity to work together to ensure these loop holes are not exploited. Its one thing expecting GC to accept a financial settlement for used land but its totally another matter saying we will keep all your land but we also want our land back in the south as well. This I cant agree with.

Wow impressive. That might be the first nice thing I have seen you say. I agree with a lot of what you said here but I am sure there are greedy people on both sides. It would be nice if the governments would try for once to work together on an issue and this might be a start. I have hope, I just wish they would move faster.

[andri_cy]

Arent we TCs being unfair with this land issue? How can we expect the "RoC" to give back property that is being used by refugees until a solution is found when we are not prepared to give their property back in the north. If the new property commission is given the green light by the ECHR and we start processing applications sucessfully and not just giving the GCs the run around then the pressure will be on the GC administration to resolve TCs claims. My concern is the greedy individuals who have exchanged land in the south for land in the north sold this land and then try to claim and sell the same land they exchanged in the south. They are free to cross south live there for six months and then claim using their old title deeds. As far as I know there is no mechanism in place to detect the TCs that have actually exchanged their land and therefore given up all rights to the TRNC. Both sides have to realize there is a potential risk involved and this is a great opportunity to work together to ensure these loop holes are not exploited. Its one thing expecting GC to accept a financial settlement for used land but its totally another matter saying we will keep all your land but we also want our land back in the south as well. This I cant agree with.

I posted this positive piece to see if would attract any response from GCs obviously they do not want to acknoledge anything we say in their favor. Very sad state of affairs.

Oh I guess I was late. Sorry. Maybe give people some more time to go through everything. We dont get paid by the hour to read the forum

[Alexis]

Arent we TCs being unfair with this land issue? How can we expect the "RoC" to give back property that is being used by refugees until a solution is found when we are not prepared to give their property back in the north. If the new property commission is given the green light by the ECHR and we start processing applications sucessfully and not just giving the GCs the run around then the pressure will be on the GC administration to resolve TCs claims. My concern is the greedy individuals who have exchanged land in the south for land in the north sold this land and then try to claim and sell the same land they exchanged in the south. They are free to cross south live there for six months and then claim using their old title deeds. As far as I know there is no mechanism in place to detect the TCs that have actually exchanged their land and therefore given up all rights to the TRNC. Both sides have to realize there is a potential risk involved and this is a great opportunity to work together to ensure these loop holes are not exploited. Its one thing expecting GC to accept a financial settlement for used land but its totally another matter saying we will keep all your land but we also want our land back in the south as well. This I cant agree with.

Hi vp,

Apologies for not responding to your post. As andri said we are not always online etc...+ your post was more of a statement rather than a question so would be less likely to elicit a response. I pretty much agree that in the current circumstances a political settlement is required to go with solving the land issue, but as you know as time goes by the waters get muddied by continued abuse of refugee land (on both sides of the green line, although arguably this is more of a problem in the TRNC). Another problem is that the two administrations are not willing to work together for the good of the island. I think you and most TCs understand the issue of land and of its importance to the GC community to some degree and this is encouraging.

[rolo]

Rolo
The numbers of refugees will always rise. This is mainly due to the children born after 1974 are also counted as refugees as well. It was documented at the time the figure was around 140,000 refugees who were actually displaced.

Stu

yes agreed the number will increase, agreed.

now check this out

http://globalis.gvu.unu.edu/indicator_d ... catorid=29

According to theses figures the population rise of Cyprus has been less than 2% per decade since 1970. There is no way that 140,000 becomes 200,000 over 4 decades.



ALSO

Apparently the tc population has gone from 18% to a new low of 9%.

http://www.abhaber.com/news_page.asp?id=2836

"The 750,000 Greeks living on Cyprus who were the victims of the Turkish invasion of 1974 constitute the overwhelming majority [82 percent] of the island's population, only 9 percent being made up of Turkish Cypriots and another 9 percent of Turkish settlers. Despite this, Turks in Cyprus are designated as a 'community' [rather than a 'minority,' as would be more appropriate], occupying 37 percent of the territory of an EU Member State while, under the rejected Annan plan, they would have received 29.2 percent."

[Pyrpolizer]

Fallacies on fallacies over fallacies by rolo.



Where did you discover the number 140,000?????

[rolo]

considering your derogatory remarks


like mr stu i also remember the figure of 140, 000 refugees. i have no reason to doubt that figure. Later the figure went to 160, 000 a figure which i was also able to accept. This figure comes thus

None of the Greek Cypriot parties has been able to elect a president by itself or dominate the 56-seat House of Representatives. The 165,000 Greek Cypriot refugees are also a potent political force, along with the independent Orthodox Church of Cyprus, which has some influence in temporal as well as ecclesiastical matters.

from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Politics_of_Cyprus

this source is neither greek or turkish funded i assume, so it seems logical to accept. It seems however that when the figures keep evolving it might be right to, at somepoint question them, unless you have vested interest to the contrary.


So Where do you get your figures from? The govt controlled cypriot offices of facts, figures and embroidary ?

Oh and as for the now 9% tc population well check the following link.

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.php?t=6988

[growuptcs]

rolo, why are you so stuck on the figures anyway? What are you out to justify?

[rolo]

gptc

Thanks for a reasonable quiestion.

hey im not hung up about facts and figures. it just seems that figures keep changing and always one way. But i remember reading in this forum something along the lines that only a handful of turkish idiots were killed under the Makarios years.

True some gcs responded and denounced this post but once and for all lets get the figures agreed upon, and let them grow or decline no more.

What is your take on the latest figure in this post, that tc's only number 9% of cyprus's population. Who now is playing the false propoganda game?

So long as your represtatives keep introducing new figures for the world to believe, then they must be stopped. Will you write to the EU and correct this missleading figure, will any of the gc posters on this forum do so?


do you see me arguing the facts and figures currently going on about the percentages of MPS on this post, or what size trnc should be? answer is no. Gc may have a valid point in that tc is asking for tto much. i wont dispute that. Let the politicians get round the table and bang it out, the sooner the better. But when figures keep inflating unabated ever more petrol is poured on the already burning.

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