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[yoyoyo]

The fate of our country and the fate can only be decided by us, the people, and leave the past behind and look for the future and how we can improve it! Why not WE, CYPRIOTS, become the living example to all the nations of a peaceful country, depsite the differences in culture and believe. Let us become a an example to ISRAEL and Palestine to America-Agianst the world, to Russia and Chechnya etc........ besides we are just going to live for, 80, 90 years old, the only thing we should do during our lifetime is how to live as better as we can. And to do this we need to be good to each other, understanding, honest and the rest would come...
Cyprus is just a dot in the whole map of the earth... I cannot understand how a small piece of land is having so many problems?Why let the greedy take over the fate of our country, why cant the good win the evil...I strongly beleive that we can do it depsite the difficulties.

[Viewpoint]

How?

[yoyoyo]

What you mean ?how?
Through us, the people, can you see any other stronger, better way. Let us decide for our country, not the greeks, not the turks, not the americans no one

[Viewpoint]

How do you plan to achieve all this we cant even talk to each other how on earth do you expect to decide anything?
Saying it is easy actually realizing it something alltogether more difficult. If you want to start somewhere talk to your leaders and encourage them first to enact what you are suggesting and Im sure the TCs will follow. Tell them to stop acting as if they are the only representives of Cyprus and use this to isolate and hold hostage the TCs community and we will tell ours to stop building on GC land and start to allow GCs to move back to their properties. Can you do this?

[yoyoyo]

One of the vurtues i mentioned earlier is , UNDERSTANDING, and i can start from this moment to use it and therefore i can totally understand why you feel isolated but then on the other hand, from you side understand our site, tha 200000 people have been forced out of the places they grew up. We can argue forever but the main point as you said is to do rather than say and we can start by you and me...... When two peopl agree on something there isnothing stopping them........................... No matter what you say to the leaders they will still be blindfolded by the glory, the money and the power they have achieved, so it is like talking to the mule (garos in greek).In my opinion, a person can make a difference but tow persons casn make the change!!!!!!!

[Piratis]

yoyoyo, let me explain you something. The TC partitionists who are probably the majority of TCs and currently have the TC leadership, along with Turkey do not accept anything less than partition.

In a few words their aim is partition, and not unification. So they don't even accept the concept of unification (they only accept the name "unification" as in "sure, we want unification"). So agreeing anything with them is actually impossible.

However, they don't have the right to insist on illegality. Also Turkey needs EU. Legality + EU prospects of Turkey are the only ways of trying to reunify our island.

The option of convincing the TCs and Turkey for unification does not exist since as I said their only aim is partition and they do not even consider anything alternative.

[Kikapu]

The only way to counter what the TC's want "partition", is to propose them equal voice and partnership in running the country. Unless that offer is made, you cannot say, we have tried everything to avoid "partition".

[yoyoyo]

Why not?Besides you are cypriots as well (i am not talking about the 200000 people from turkey).You have the right to be in the goverment .You should get however the propotional percentage of leadership in the goverment. As regards the 'egual voice' offcourse i believe you should have equal vocie, werent you born and grew up in this small island?? Didnt your ancestors lived here???? Then yes you must have equal voice with mine and agree on something prosperous for th future!Happy now?

As i said before, we can argue (GC and TC) for ever and ever, let us live like the old times before Britain, USA left their ruins here!!!!!!! What we need to realize is that dissagreements would exist 4 ever and ever, GOD dint make this earth a perfect place so that we can have the freedom of choice, but we also need to realize that the solution to the dissagreements is talk and understanding and we will always find a common sollution.
Life is really simple but we make it so difficult, maybe because we like it like that? i dont know!!

[Piratis]

is to propose them equal voice and partnership in running the country

Kikapu, I will re-post you here the words of a Turkish Cypriot journalist which I agree:

The main problem concerning `reunification` of the island for the mainstream Turkish Cypriot media is that it is subconsciously based on `two separate entities coming together`, not seeing that this is a remnant of `Taksim` policies… The focus is on `Bizonality` and with this, the `legitimization` of `the results of 1974`… No one is contesting that any future cooperation of our communities should be based on multiculturalism, rather than on the `hegemony` of the Greek Cypriot community in all fields… But how `bizonality` is perceived is a big problem because deep down, the ideology of `Taksim` is still there and has not been wiped out from the subconscious thinking of `duality` and `separatism` from the minds of some mainstream Turkish Cypriot journalists.

Therefore each TC will be equal to each GCs, and we would be more than glad to have provisions that would make it required that TCs will participate proportionately in running this country in all sectors.

However "partnership" between two separate entities means that we have TWO entities not ONE entity which means partition and not unification. (otherwise we could also say that we are "unified" with Estonia or Portugal simply because we are partners within EU)

If you do not accept that Turkish Cypriots are part of the one Cypriot people it means you do not accept unity, but you instead want separation, duality, and partition.

[Kikapu]

You have the right to be in the goverment .You should get however the propotional percentage of leadership in the goverment. !!

I think what the TC's want is a 50-50 "equal voice" in running the country, regardless of the proportionality of the population. This is the only way they can trust the GC's, who are the majority.