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[Pyrpolizer]

for example

the first wave of Turkish Soldiers to land on Cyprus from the boats were more expendable than the next.

I dont argue it right or wrong


from the view point of a nation who else should they first send in?
would you send your finest to be the first killed?

Hey, I fully agree with you! Tell that to Kikapu, not to me…

Hey Kikapu are you listening? Remember the two "peace birds" sleeping on the tree fully loaded with hashish? Remember the hypnotised soldiers who would not even raise their guns to shoot?
All lies huh? Fanatic Pyrpolizer only tells lies huh?

NB. Rolo tell us more man, I started liking you.

[Pyrpolizer]

Rolo,

The truth is that not only the first who were on BOATS were expendable.
There were other kinds of consumable soldiers later. These FACTS were witnessed by many GC soldiers in 1974.

[Pyrpolizer]

The #1 consumable were of course Kurds!

[rolo]

The first wave will be target practice for any defending army and although i dont know figures i can only guess at about a thousand turkish soldiers shot down in the first encounter.

Attacking is far costlier than defending. Turkey would not have sent in her best troops in the first wave. That would have been stupid.

This i cant verify and have no inside knowledge of, however it is logical to assume that such would never have happened.

If as you say you were there and shot at these soldiers then in your estimation how many turks/kurds were killed in the first attack.

I will accept your figures as i have no reason to doubt them.

I am also open to knowing about any eye witness attrocities carried out by the Turkish army. Its not all one way, and i am sure there must have been many. More so by rogue soldiers even officers, than under official army orders. Unfortunately war creates such conditions.

I am not above being corrected but i do want the truth to be told. It is the only route to understanding the other side's view. Then hopefully a lasting peace.

[Pyrpolizer]

If as you say you were there and shot at these soldiers then in your estimation how many turks/kurds were killed in the first attack.

I will accept your figures as i have no reason to doubt them.

I don’t know I wasn’t there. Most of these were told to me by older cousins who were soldiers in 1974.
A couple of weeks ago some forum members were saying the total number of Turkish soldiers who died in 1974 was 3000. I was surprised to hear that. In 1974 people were saying more than 10000 Turkish soldiers died. In fact back in 1974 newspapers were saying the Turkish Generals accused the Turkish Commander that he had too many loses for such an easy job. However the Turkish Army never published the real number of its dead soldiers. And they never will imo.

I am also open to knowing about any eye witness attrocities carried out by the Turkish army. Its not all one way, and i am sure there must have been many. More so by rogue soldiers even officers, than under official army orders. Unfortunately war creates such conditions.

What we were hearing in 1974 is mostly for rapes. Accounts for killings were mostly hearsay stories (no killed person could speak you know) . The situation was a chaos, there was no time to collect testimonies. I blame our side for avoiding to collect, translate in English and publicise those testimonies. The excuse they gave was they had to protect the privacy of the raped woman. For the killings [total number 6000 plus 1600 missing (obviously dead) ] they also don’t do it because they want to hide the 1500 killed during the coup.
So we GCs can only present you small testimonies we collected from here and there. Most of them in Greek.

I suggest you read some of the books of Sevgul Ulutag. She has many accounts of attrocities both against the TCs and against the GCs.

Herebelow is some information I have.
I have also a book in electronic format (about 80 pages) if you give me your e - mail I will send it to you.

[Pyrpolizer]

an article which appeared in The Sunday Times of London on 23 January 1977, written by the newspaper's Insight team.


[quote]Rape
Relevant article: No one shall be subjected to torture or to inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment.

Charge by Greek Cypriots: Turkish troops were responsible for wholesale and repeated rapes of women of all ages from 12 to 71, sometimes to such an extent that the victims suffered haemorrhages or became mental wrecks. In some areas, enforced prostitution was practised, all women and girls of a village being collected and put into separate rooms in empty houses where they were raped repeatedly.

In certain cases members of the same family were repeatedly raped, some of them in front of their own children. In other cases women were brutally raped in public.

Rapes were on many occassions accompanied by brutalities such as violent biting of the victims causing severe wounding, banging their heads on the floor and wringing their throats almost to the point of suffocation. In some cases attempts to rape were followed by the stabbing or killing of the victims, victims included pregnant and mentally-retarded women.

Evidence to commission: Testimony of doctors C and H, who examined the victims. Eyewitnesses and hearsay witnesses also gave evidence, and the commission had before it written statements from 41 alleged victims.

Dr H said he had confirmed rape in 70 cases, including:

A mentally-retarded girl of 24 was raped in her house by 20 soldiers. When she started screaming they threw her from the second-floor window. She fractured her spine and was paralysed;
One day after their arrival at Voni, Turks took girls to a nearby house and raped them;
One woman from Voni was raped on three occassions by four persons each time. She became pregnant;
One girl, from Palekyhthrou, who was held with others in a house, was taken out at gunpoint and raped;
At Tanvu, Turkish soldiers tried to rape a 17-year-old schoolgirl. She resisted and was shot dead;
A woman from Gypsou told Dr H that 25 girls were kept by Turks at Marathouvouno as prostitutes.
Another witness said that his wife was raped in front of their children. Witness S told of 25 girls who complained to Turkish officers about being raped and were raped again by the officers. A man (name withheld) reported that his wife was stabbed in the neck while resisting rape. His grand-daughter, aged six, had been stabbed and killed by Turkish soldiers attempting to rape her.

A Red Cross witness said that in August 1974, while the island's telephones were still working, the Red Cross Society recieved calls from Palekyhthrou and Kaponti reporting rapes. The Red Cross also took care of 38 women released from Voni and Gypsou detention camps: all had been raped, some in front of their husbands and children. Others had been raped repeatedly, or put in houses frequented by Turkish soldiers.

These women were taken to Akrotiri hospital, in the British Sovereign Base Area, where they were treated. Three were found to be pregnant. Reference was also made to several abortions performed at the base.

Commission's verdict: By 12 votes to one the commission found "that the incidents of rape described in the cases referred to and regarded as established constitute 'inhuman treatment' and thus violations of Article 3 for which Turkey is responsible under the convention

[Pyrpolizer]

A STORY OF RAPE WITH MULTIPLE MESSAGES: REVENGE (By a TC) , HUMAN BRUTALITY (by Turkish soldiers) , HUMAN KINDNESS (by a Turkish Officer) , AND PREJUDICE (by GC Relatives of the raped girl)

She has no teeth. She is poor and rejected by everyone until today.
She was 16 in 1974. She was living in a mixed village in 1974
She went to see a TC friend of hers called Hamide. On the way she met a lot of Turkish Tanks and Turkish soldiers. A TurkishCypriot co - villager of hers took her inside a house where an old Greek Cypriot paralysed was living. He beat her on the face broke her glasses, and broke all her teeth. Then he teared off her skirt and called the Turkish soldiers in. They were raping her in serial from 5 o’clock in the afternoon until the next morning a total of 30 soldiers, in front of the old man who was begging them not to kill her. The soldiers thought she was his daughter. She lost her senses and got hemmorage. A Turkish officer came in the morning and threw the soldiers out. He showed her a photograph of his wife and children (obviously trying to tell her he was a family man and would protect her) and stayed with her for 2 - 3 hours until the soldiers and the tanks left the place. Then told her to run away because they would kill her. She run and met a UN man. The UN then took her to the British bases hospital. . . The woman today is a psychological wreck. Her biggest complain was that her own family rejected her calling her "a prostitute". But - she said - it was not my fault, I was a virgin girl not a prostitute. . . .

An account by rich lady after the end of 1974 war. She heard baby cryings inside a dark warehouse in Larnaca and getting in she met a hungry girl around 19 having two (twin) babies with her. Her family did not want her. Brought food and milk to her and then brought her to her own house in Nicosia. That girl was raped from many Turkish soldiers who kept her hostige in a house in 1974. After the war she came to the free areas but it was very late to have an abortion. The father of those twins was one of the rapists. The rich lady after a few weeks took the girl by the hand and went to Larnaca to talk to the parents. Not only the parents but also the brothers and sisters almost kicked the rich lady and the girl out of the house. Once again the girl was "a prostitute" for them.

Another story live on TV: Dr Kutchuk a Turkish Academic living in Turkey today. He was an officer in the Turkish Army in 1974. He presented the camera a banch of handwritten notes of his. This he said is my diary from the war. This page concerns a rape. I heard but did not have the courage to go and see it happening. Behind the wall there was a woman. And they were raping her simultaneously from both sides (front and behind) . By the time a soldier told me already 60 soldiers have raped her. Dr Kutchuk started crying and the cameraman stopped the interview. . .

[Pyrpolizer]

Kostas Panagiotou Artemiou is from the village of Klirou. On 20 July 1974 he was called in the army to serve as engine driver. When the Turkish tanks entered Keryneia, he was hidden with his colleagues in a semifinished building for 4 - 5 days. There were he says 15 individuals. Later they were arrested. The Turkish soldiers set them in front of a wall behind the English cemetery in the entry to Keryneia by the side of the sea. Then they shot a blast against these persons. Kostas describes as follows that moment: "I stood somewhere in the middle. I fell behind and I pretended that I died. I was struck in two points in the leg. The rest of the people were all dead. The soldiers left believing that had killed all. Behind the wall there were some bushes. As soon as they left I crawled and hide in those bushes. Later, from the place I was hidden I heard they brought some more for excecution, however I could not see anything. I heard their voices. When they shot one more group, I was struck again in the legs ".
Kostas finally survived. He was kept in the prison of Saray. Together with other captives he was led blindfolded to Adana Turkey by ship. There he received treatment. What did the commander of the Turkish units Bendredit Demirel had to say about this? "We we did not kill any captives", he said! ……


Petros Soupouris is from Palaikythro. He was hardly ten years old in July 1974. Now he is forty. They were hidden he says in a house in the village. They were 21 individuals. There came 3 TurkishCypriots . Most in the house were women and children. They started shooting those who they removed from the house. Petros remembers the following: "There came three TCs and they began to remove from the house few persons every time. They first took out and shot the adults, my mother, my father, the old men. Later they began to shoot the children. They also took me out of the house. I was in the last group. I was shot as well. In the breast and in the sides a total of 3 bullets. All my the family was killed. My mother, my father, my aunt, my two brothers and my only sister. My brothers were 9 and 14 years. My sister of was only 2. 5 years old ". This crime he says even touched the Turkish soldiers that entered the village later. As soon as the regional Turkish Commander saw the dead he shouted "who did this? ". ….

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cheers Pyrpolizer,

with all due respect to everyone that perished on both sides, you sound like a turk. whats the signifigance?

[Pyrpolizer]

with all due respect to everyone that perished on both sides, you sound like a turk. whats the signifigance?

That was my first thought too. On second thought Rolo asked politely and in an open mind spirit.