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[miltiades]

We have the right when their actions constitute a threat to our nations security.
The Taliban encouraged the likes of Bin Laden . These people are are not content to live in the stone age themselves but want to export their poison to our world.
They are not ready for democracy as you so rightly state .
You are forgetting that not many people the world over are rushing to get to these prehistoric nations, but are literally dying to get to America , Britain and Europe .
For as long as these nations are ruled by perverted philosophies they will always constitute a treat to our way of life.

[theresa]

Did the suicide bombers and the fanatics etc commit terrorist attacks prior to the invasion of their countries? I dont remember that. I recall suicide bombers in Irrael who wanted Israel to pull out of their territory though. I remember retaliation attacks after the invasion of Iraq and Iran as well. What will be theie epitath? Ok they were only a baby/woman/old person/child - but they died so democracy would rule!! Yippee - thats ok then !! As a mother if they tried that one with me I would want to rip their heart out.
Tess

[Piratis]

miltiades, if the USA wanted to bring democracy to the middle east they would start with their friends first (e.g. Saudi Arabia). It is all about controlling the oil my friend, everything else are cheap excuses.

When Bin Laden was fighting against the USSR with the weapons his friends in the USA were giving him he was a liberation fighter. When he started hitting them, he became a terrorist.

The "terrorist" organizations are created by the illegalities and the oppression of Israel and friends against the people of the middle east. Apparently if you kill others by the 100s with your super modern weapons you are not a terrorist, while if you kill some others (while taking your own life at the same time) you are.

If they gave to Hamas etc super modern weapons then believe me, they would use them against the Israeli and the American armies and they would not be terrorists anymore.

If the other countries of the world had any balls they would have kicked the Israeli embassies out of their countries and impose embargo on Israel. Unfortunately they are only empty words ...

[miltiades]

Theresa 9/11 occurred before Afghanistan , Iraq , Bali well before , in fact there were numerous such horrific attacks across the globe. The West values life , in fact sanctity of life is of the utmost importance in a free democratic nation.

[miltiades]

Piratis , your comments I find disturbing coming from some one so dedicated to legality and human rights
YOU WROTE:
""""When he started hitting them, he became a terrorist"""
Are you suggesting that 9/11 was not a terrorist act ? and are you not forgetting the fundamentals of democracy and the concept of human rights that you so eloquently promote . America like all super powers before it has to look after it's own interests first and foremost. The West needs the oil and it must protect this precious commodity.
Israel is the only democracy in the Middle East , there is no reason why nations should throw their embassies out of their countries.

[Piratis]

Are you suggesting that 9/11 was not a terrorist act ?

What I am saying is that the 9/11 was a terrorist act, but that was not the only terrorist act. What I don't like are double standards.
USA and their allies have killed much more innocent people than those other terrorists. So how can the others be terrorists while USA and friends are not? Do they have a licence to kill?

The American made missiles and bombs that rain on those people what do they bring? Love and happiness? Or death and terror?

[Kikapu]

Theresa 9/11 occurred before Afghanistan , Iraq , Bali well before , in fact there were numerous such horrific attacks across the globe. The West values life , in fact sanctity of life is of the utmost importance in a free democratic nation.

Miltiades,

Sometimes, I get the impression, that you either have a selective memory, or you just choose to ignore relevent facts that suits your objectives, very much like the NeoCons. You really believe that, 9/11 just happened out of the blue. Let me take you back couple of steps back, and see what may have lead to that event.

1980-88 war between Iraq and Iran, pushed by the US on the side of Iraq. After million were killed, focus then turned to do away with Iraq. In 1990, when Saddam asked the female ambassador of US to Iraq, as to what the USA would do, if Iraq annexed Kuwait, since Iraq always claimed Kuwait as part of Iraq. The answer Saddam got was, that the US had no position on Kuwait, and would consider it as a "internal matter". The green light was given to invade Kuwait in 1991, which followed by another invation to kick Saddam out and impose sanctions, that killed several hundred thousand more.

US then set up military base in the Holy land of Muhammed, Saudi Arabia, due to their close relationship with the Royal Family (not a democracy) against the wishes of their people, including Osama Bin Ladin, as Piratis pointed out to you, that the US supported Osama against the "Evil Empire" ( no, not the USA, but the Soviets) in Afghanistan. There could not have been no worse act, than having foreign troops (Christians) on their land. Now they are building several permanent military bases in Iraq, so expect more the same in the future agaist the USA. Like all the other events that the USA has been involved in around the world, once any ones, or countries usefulness is dried up, then it's time to move against them, so Osama decided to fight back the "Evil Empire ( no, not the Soviets, but the USA). They bombed the Twin Towers back in 1993, killing six, and they came back again in 2003 to finished the job, under the noses of the Bush administration.

By the way, if the West values life, as you claim, it must be only their lives they seem to value and not the ones from the Middle East, Africa, or Asia. Please don't start lecturing me again on how wrong I am. If you don't believe me, why don't you do a quick body count, on how many in the "East" have died because of the West, and how many Westerners died because the "East", lets just say going back since 1945, after the WWII.

[sadik06]

THING AROUND THE WORLD NEED NO CLARIFICATION EVERYTHING IS CLEAR
-aMERICA WANTS TO MAKE PEOPLE BOW FOR THE STATUS OF AMERICAM SO CALLED FREEDOM AND DEMOCRACY.
- IT IS OBVIOUS THAT THE ENEMY NUMBER ONE FOR AMERICA AND ISRAEL IS THOSE WHO ARE AGAINST SLAVERY.

[Natty]

Hey, it seems that British/ Europian,/American policy in the 'east' (including Cyprus) has caused so many problems......

One thing that bugs me about the last 'Irac' war, was that the American's (Although I could be wrong...) urged the people to rise up against Saddam, and when they did, the Americans left the people who had rebelled to face the 'Saddam' music...(or something like that..)

Peace!

[miltiades]

The West Kikapu values all life including the life of animals.
The West went to the assistance of the Bosnian Muslims when they were been ethnically cleansed.
The West fought two world wars in order to defeat the Nazis.
The West did not "push "as you say Iraq to war with Iran , the bloody mullahs started it.
For such a horrid system that is operating in the West is ironic that millions of people from around the globe are jostling to become part of it.
THE ALTERNATIVE IS A THEOCRATIC DICTATORIAL MEDIEVAL SYSTEM , THAT IS A FACT.