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[Piratis]

This video is about the illegal occupation of Palestine by Israel.

The whole video could be about the illegal occupation of Cyprus by Turkey.

The only difference: That Turkey has immidietly ethnically cleansed the occupied areas from the majority of its legal population, while Israel is doing this slowly slowly.

In a few words the film is about those who are forgetting who is the aggressor and the one who acting illegally, and trying to find excuses to excuse the inexcusable, or even present the victim as the aggressor!


http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... 4384920696

[Piratis]

Bananiot should especially watch chapters 5 and 6 about the "US Neutrality" and the "Generous Offer". The exact same things apply in the case of Cyprus.

[miltiades]

Allow me to disagree most robustly on the comparisons between Israel and the occupation of the Palestinian lands since 1967. Israel claim , quite wrongly , that these lands were Jewish 2000 years ago .Turkey is not claiming that the occupied part of Cyprus was part of Turkey at any time other than when they conquered Cyprus in 16th century. The Palestinians through Hams are demanding the destruction of the Jewish state , by the use of force. They , Hamas , and Hizbollah and shortly AQ are calling for a holy war not only against the Jews but against people like me who expresses his views in a democratic environment. Yes I want justice for the Palestinians but I want to sea peace in the region , a peace that will last and the people will prosper.
I detest Hamas , Hizbollah , AQ and the rest of fanatics , Piratis how dare you compare us to them .
Regardless of how some individuals see EOKA during the 55 - 59 struggle , on the whole the war against the British was honourable. Civilian deaths can be counted in single numbers , we did not kill indiscriminately by blowing our selves up.The Cypriots would not stoop so low.
I just hope that the nightmare that faces the Palestinians every day of their lives never transcends to Cyprus , we are not Arabs , we have nothing in common with these people , either the Jews or the Palestinians.
Palestine is No Cyprus and neither is Turkey Israel .

[Piratis]

miltiades, the agression by Israel is what is fueling the whole situation. Palestinians are simply reacting to the injustice against them. The reason we are not reacting like they do is not because we are more civilized or better in any other way, but because:
1) not all of us are refugees
2) We have managed to ease the pain of our refugees and they are having more or less normal lives.

As I said the main difference between the 2 cases is that Turkey had performed the whole ethnic cleansing at once, while Israel is doing it gradually.

Have you watched the video?

[Sotos]

That was a long clip! But you are right. The similarities with Cyprus were amazing. When they talked about the "Generous Offer" it was like the Annan plan in Cyprus. It was such a crappy plan but the media of some countries presented it as a great chance for unification! Propaganda is everything these days

[Natty]

America, Israel, what is going on????

[miltiades]

Piratis , I strongly dispute the suggestion that we are in any way what so ever similar to Palestinians. Their methods used to strike at their enemy , are utterly reprehensible , are you suggesting that had we all become refugees we would have reverted to indiscriminate suicide attacks in Restaurants on Buses in public spaces in order to kill and maim civilians. No Sir , No Cypriot worth his salt would ever contemplate this form of resistance have been able to recover from the 1974 invasion and rebuild Cyprus precisely because we are not Palestinian Arabs.
There is not one iota of common ground and comparing Cyprus to Palestine is insulting to all Cypriots.I will not reply to any further posts on this matter.I watched the video .

[Kikapu]

Piratis,
Aside from Turkeys invasion and creating refugees for the GC's and to some extend to the TC's also, that's where the comparison stops between Israel and Cyprus. Turkey occupies 3rd of the island, but does not occupy it's people. Since I do not think the TC's feel under occupation, but rather a force to keep them safe, and the GC's are also not under occupation, since they have complete control of their daily lives within the area that they live in as any independent country to come and go as they please, including outside the country. Palestinians do not have anything close to what the GC's or the TC's have, so I do not see the comparison. Had Turkey occupied the whole island and it's people, and cotrolled the Cypriots lives TC's and GC's together with an "iron fist" just like what the Israelis have been doing for the last 40 years or so, then you would be spot on. The other resemblance you might make, may also be the fact, that people from Gaza and the people from the West Bank are seperated from each other, since they are all Palestinians, just like "North and South" Cyprus today. At least the Cypriots have a chance to claim their land back, if the right conditions are applied. Israel will always keep the Palestinians off their land, because Israel needs the land to expand it's population, for their survival, they would make the claim.

[Strahd]

Piratis,
Aside from Turkeys invasion and creating refugees for the GC's and to some extend to the TC's also, that's where the comparison stops between Israel and Cyprus. Turkey occupies 3rd of the island, but does not occupy it's people.

Yes because the Turkish invading forced drove them away by force.

Since I do not think the TC's feel under occupation, but rather a force to keep them safe, and the GC's are also not under occupation, since they have complete control of their daily lives within the area that they live in as any independent country to come and go as they please, including outside the country.

Yes the Greeks have complete control of their lives but Turkey is occuppying their houses, land and businesses and they have no control over that!

Palestinians do not have anything close to what the GC's or the TC's have, so I do not see the comparison. Had Turkey occupied the whole island and it's people, and cotrolled the Cypriots lives TC's and GC's together with an "iron fist" just like what the Israelis have been doing for the last 40 years or so, then you would be spot on.

Just because they drove us away of our homes and are keeping us away so there is no immediate contact this does not mean that it does not affect our lives. They are keeping us away by an iron fist kikapu...

[Piratis]

Turkey occupies 3rd of the island, but does not occupy it's people.

This is the only main difference as I also wrote in my initial post. Turkey performed the ethnic cleansing at once, while Israel is doing it gradually. Or are you saying that if Israel tomorrow ethnically cleanses the Palestinians that would make Israel better?

Miltiades, the only thing that makes us different from the Palestinians is that we are richer. This means we had the capacity to accommodate our refugees in a more or less OK way, and all of us have reasonably good standard of living despite of the disaster that hit our island in 74.

If we had to live in poverty and misery, then maybe we would not become suicide bombers (and only a a tiny fraction of Palestinians are suicide bombers, otherwise we would have several such events every day), but we would definitely not hesitate to strike against our oppressor with every mean possible.