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[Kifeas]

Kikapu , since you are very well versed with the events of 1974 , and you also appear to give credence to the alleged T/C cleansing by the G/Cs , you may be able to answer a question I put too Viewpoint a little while back which he dodged.See if you can do better.
How many T/Cs were killed by the G/Cs from let us say January 1970 to June 1974 .Since the claim of cleansing has entered the T/C folklore lets us put it to the test. You don not have to answer this today , do take your time .
Please remember the UN was in Cyprus at the time and I would expect the UN to have provided detailed records. Not interested in coffee shop figures , only corroborated one UN versions.

miltiades no one can say for sure exactly how many TCs were driven out of Cyprus over the troubled periods. You should not forget that the GCs were very devious in finding ways to encourage TCs to go work and live abroad with the promise of a better life. The murders were just the tip of the ice berg but the real aim was to isolate and exaust the TC community economically and morally so as to push them out and thus reduce numbers of TCs to a managable size. To confirm what I am saying all you have to do is talk to the first generation TCs who reside abroad.
The GCs have always used and will try to use their numerical weight to reduce the TC community into an insignificant minority just like the Indians in the UK. We will never accept this as we have a stake in the ownership of this island which we will never let go just to become another minority.

VP, I always like to speak with figures. In 1960, according to the British figures, the TC community constituted the 18.4% of the Total population of Cyprus. In 1974, the TC community was officially recorded to have been around 110,000 souls, 60,000 of which had their permanent residence in the south (non occupied part) and about 50,000 in the areas that came under Turkish occupation. The total Cypriot population was recorded to have been around 600,000 people. Do your calculation and tell me if this constitutes any major change in the demographics of the island? The Truth of the fact is that both GCs and TCs emigrated from Cyprus during the pre-1974 years in proportionately equal ratios.

[Kikapu]

Kikapu , I posted in another thread that G/Cs and T/Cs lived happily and interacted peacefully until the poisoned ideology of motherland procrastinations came to the forum.I still believe that the animosity and conflict between our people is the result of this ideology . It is the reluctance to let go and begin cultivating our true identity of Cypriot. Yes we are and shall always remain Greeks or Turkish I'm not for a second suggesting that we eradicate our roots but as in Britain where the Welsh , English and Scots live in peace with each other just as the hundreds of ethnics that live happily in the States why cant we first be Cypriots .Both sides have to begin the process of promoting the Cypriot identity, I think from the T/Cs side an effort has to be made too , the removal of the Turkish flag on Pentadaktilos and the erection of a Cypriot flag would be a massive booster to the process of good will and co operation.

My good friend Miltiades,

Everything you wrote above was correct one time, and if enough effort can be put into it, it can all be corrected to everyones wish, so I'm with you on everything you say and want for all Cypriots. We just haven't found the correct method yet, but there's no reason to stop searching, right.!!

[Viewpoint]

Kikapu , since you are very well versed with the events of 1974 , and you also appear to give credence to the alleged T/C cleansing by the G/Cs , you may be able to answer a question I put too Viewpoint a little while back which he dodged.See if you can do better.
How many T/Cs were killed by the G/Cs from let us say January 1970 to June 1974 .Since the claim of cleansing has entered the T/C folklore lets us put it to the test. You don not have to answer this today , do take your time .
Please remember the UN was in Cyprus at the time and I would expect the UN to have provided detailed records. Not interested in coffee shop figures , only corroborated one UN versions.

miltiades no one can say for sure exactly how many TCs were driven out of Cyprus over the troubled periods. You should not forget that the GCs were very devious in finding ways to encourage TCs to go work and live abroad with the promise of a better life. The murders were just the tip of the ice berg but the real aim was to isolate and exaust the TC community economically and morally so as to push them out and thus reduce numbers of TCs to a managable size. To confirm what I am saying all you have to do is talk to the first generation TCs who reside abroad.
The GCs have always used and will try to use their numerical weight to reduce the TC community into an insignificant minority just like the Indians in the UK. We will never accept this as we have a stake in the ownership of this island which we will never let go just to become another minority.

VP, I always like to speak with figures. In 1960, according to the British figures, the TC community constituted the 18.4% of the Total population of Cyprus. In 1974, the TC community was officially recorded to have been around 110,000 souls, 60,000 of which had their permanent residence in the south (non occupied part) and about 50,000 in the areas that came under Turkish occupation. The total Cypriot population was recorded to have been around 600,000 people. Do your calculation and tell me if this constitutes any major change in the demographics of the island? The Truth of the fact is that both GCs and TCs emigrated from Cyprus during the pre-1974 years in proportionately equal ratios.

Where do yhe figures you quote come from please give independent sources otherwise they could from your place where the sun dont shine. Even lets say the same number of TCs and GCs emigrated during the said period the GCs left of their own freewill where as the TCs were encouraged to leave in order to support the GC hidden agenda of creating a pure GC state.

[Pyrpolizer]

If between 2,000 and 3,000 well trained Turkish forces were killed in Cyprus in the first few days of the invasion, there had to be a one hell of a built up Greek forces with weapons to do such damage.

Not really. You have glorified the Turkish Army and you will find it difficult to believe this but it is the reality
All hash adicts, all scum, all kurds were thrown in the first line of battle, or in battles where no coverage was possible. Often also used as guinea pigs to test passages for mines.

"They were coming towards us fully armed, we were shooting them down one by one and they wouldn’t even raise their arms to shoot us back. They all looked like hypnotised robots."

"I heard some noise and looked up.Two Turkish sodiers were up there climbed on the tree, fully armed with FN guns, granades etc. They looked at me and did not even care to hold their guns. I shoot both of them down like birds"

There are hundreds of such reports from GC soldiers who fought in 1974…

[Kikapu]

If between 2,000 and 3,000 well trained Turkish forces were killed in Cyprus in the first few days of the invasion, there had to be a one hell of a built up Greek forces with weapons to do such damage.

Not really. You have glorified the Turkish Army and you will find it difficult to believe this but it is the reality …

I can't believe the amount of crap you talk. If what you say is true, it's a wonder you (GC's) have not been able to sneak across the "green line" one night, and cut all the Turkish troops down. You have had 32 years to do it in.

Just a quick story for you. I met few guys in the states who served in Korea, and what they said was, if there were any one that the Chinese did not want to meet face to face, was a Turkish soldier. They knew that they would not be take as a prisoner, if captured by the Turks. another time, there was a bet placed, that the Turks could not penetrate the American camp. So on a agreed night for this test to be conducted, when daylight broke and the Turks came over for breakfast, they were made fun of by the Americans, that the Turks failed in their attempt to penetrate the camp the night before. The Turks then asked all the Americans to look at the soles of their boots, in which they found all to be marked with an "X". The boots were by the bunks where the soilders slept. They could have cut everyone's throat if they wanted.

Were you one of the coup members by the way, and if you're were, are you on the run for your illegal activities, when you should be in prison for treason, and now you want to talk about Human Right Violations.??

[Pyrpolizer]

I knew you would be schocked Kikapu.
It did not came as a surprise to me.

All you have to do is just keep this in mind. One day you may learn it was really as I described it.

[Pyrpolizer]

Perhaps you should read what I wrote once again.
Imagine: War time. The Turkish Army has some scum in it. It even has members of PKK playing the virgin Marys.
You are the General. You know you have better soldiers to win the battle anyway....
How would you get rid of that scum and have some use out of them anyway?

Yes I know:crap, crap, xcrap

It would have been crap if just only one GC soldier told them....

[Pyrpolizer]

Oh yes, I was a coupist, and after getting 1000 medals for my braveness both at the coup and at eradicating 1000 Turish soldiers (mainly parachuters) I an now getting one million pesos pension.

So having nothing better to do I sit behind my computer remembering my glorious past days.

I look around for some Turks to kill once again but what the hell none of you here is a real Turk you all live abroad, next generation of you will be as Swiss as the original ones.

[Kikapu]

Oh yes, I was a coupist, and after getting 1000 medals for my braveness both at the coup and at eradicating 1000 Turish soldiers (mainly parachuters) I an now getting one million pesos pension.

So having nothing better to do I sit behind my computer remembering my glorious past days.

I look around for some Turks to kill once again but what the hell none of you here is a real Turk you all live abroad, next generation of you will be as Swiss as the original ones.

Man, you're so twisted, I doubt you can tell the difference between your ass and the hole in the ground. You got me going for a while with all your concerns with your Human Rights crap, when in fact, you're just a lost person. You couldn't give a toss about a Cyprus solution, because you don't want a Cyprus solution. What you want is Cyprus for the Greek Cypriots. Unless you're a little bit more serious in your posts, as far as I'm concern, you can take a hike.

[miltiades]

Come on Kikapu , get real , Cyprus without the Turkish Cypriots is not Cyprus, we need you man we just don't want the bloody foreign army here .