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[Pyrpolizer]

I would lilke a GC to explain this to me;
In the Australian open (Tennis) a GC made it to the final and in the crowd were loads and loads of flags waving.
Why were they all Greek national flags?

There weren’t all Greek flags. There were some Cypriot flags too. The tennis player himself wore the colours of Cyprus flag (orage/yellow+white) and he had the cyprus flag on his T-shirt.

The point about flags is people wave flags that carry something that makes them proud. At this stage the Cyprus flag makes very few people proud, as there is nothing really to be proud of in that flag other than a torn apart country.

In here people advocate the builting up of Cypriot conciousness that will unite us all and slowly slowly after a solution make us all feel proud and use it. I hope you undrerstand the point. If you notice carefully only partitionists in here use the Greek or the Turkish flag. Most people do not use any flag at all.

NB. Can you contribute something more essential in this forum?

[sajica58]

firstly piretis
"we want a united cyprus for all cypriots" yeah right.
means that i don't beleive that all people who say that mean it.
there is a big divide between tc's and gc's all accusing each other of past atrocities , there is some deep resentment for the "other side" if you are divided in your veiws how can you live as a united
country? look at the irish model and they are both christians speaking the same language. (funny how the south of that country wanted a united country and the nort wanted seperation!)

pyrpolizer,

i think my flag waving remark is very relevant and if you are going to quote me can you quote the whole thing, because what you didn't include demonstrates an ideology that is very disturbing. if you think a city in another country should be greek what do you think about an island that you are in the majority?

[miltiades]

I went to my local Turkish Supermarket , this morning , as I do every Sunday, to purchase my " Cypriot groceries , potatoes , lahana , mbamies ( okra ) and other bits and peaces . So pleased to see the sale sign proclaiming "CYPRUS POTATOES "CYPRUS OKRA " CYPRUS PARSELEY. Wonderful , no South , North divide when it comes to veg !!

[G.Man]

Whats stopping Cyprus from being one are the Turkish tanks, not some people in Australia flying flags in a tennis game.

I think you will find its down to the politicians and the people...

Those tanks could have rolled right accross cyprus and made it one country, but they dont want to grab the whole country, just have peace for their people...

If the politicians stop the rhetoric and start making some properly positive moves, get the people behind them, perhaps one day they will govern the whole island as it should be...

Looking back at blame is not gonna solve the issue, looking forward to how you can co-exist is..

[Piratis]

Turkey is not ruled by politicians, it is ruled by the military. In any case, no matter who rules them, they decided that their strategic interests are served by occupying Cyprus. They will change their mind only when they are forced to, and not if some politician in Cyprus says or does something.

[G.Man]

Turkey is not ruled by politicians, it is ruled by the military. In any case, no matter who rules them, they decided that their strategic interests are served by occupying Cyprus. They will change their mind only when they are forced to, and not if some politician in Cyprus says or does something.

And the military is run by politicians...

It is up to the politicians to show that co-habitation is possible and win the hearts and minds of both sides...

The Annan plan was flawed yes, and thats why it never passed... but the way forward is a plan that works for both sides so neither needs a military...

All land should be restored to its rightful owners, or they should be compensated to an agreeable amount at todays values...

Elections should be held with proportional representation in the govt with policies that affect either genus, tc or gc, requiring a large if not 100% agreement from all govt representatives to pass..

As for the native turkish settlers, that is a difficult one, as if turkey enters the EU they will have a right to stay!

Turkey should make a formal apology for the invasion and deaths, like germany did for the holocaust (unlikely, but would go someway to burying the hatchet).

I cant come up with a complete solution, but I will air my thoughts rather than apportion blame..

[Kikapu]

I would lilke a GC to explain this to me;
In the Australian open (Tennis) a GC made it to the final and in the crowd were loads and loads of flags waving.
Why were they all Greek national flags?
One of them had a slogan written on it in english.It read
Constantinople is greek, Macedonia is Greek!!!

May I, as a Turkish Cypriot explain why there were a lot of Greek Flags at the Australian Open. Before I give you the answer, see if you can figure it out yourself. Suppose the Cypriot tennis player was a TC, would you have not expected to see a lot of Turkish flags.? Just like the Greek flags, there's every chance, that those that carried the Greek flags, were actually Greeks, from Greece supporting their GC's friends in Cyprus, just as Turks would have done with the Turkish Flags, supporting their TC's friends, in Cyprus. Had the Cypriot player wore a foreign "Flag" colours, then you would have a reason to complain, otherwise, no one has control who goes to a match or any other sport events, and which flag they bring with them.

[Pyrpolizer]

there is a big divide between tc's and gc's all accusing each other of past atrocities , there is some deep resentment for the "other side" if you are divided in your veiws how can you live as a united

Yes there is a divide because we have PENDING MATTERS and very serious indeed between us. These can only be resolved with a solution. After a solution there will be no need to accuse anyone of the past.

i think my flag waving remark is very relevant and if you are going to quote me can you quote the whole thing, because what you didn't include demonstrates an ideology that is very disturbing.

? ? ? ? ?

if you think a city in another country should be greek what do you think about an island that you are in the majority?

Which city are you talking about? ? ? ? Melbourne? So in your opinion the Greek minority there and the GC minority there flying Greek flags after a GC won the tennis match turned Melbourne into Greek ? I’d say you dont know what the hell you are talking about. I already told you why people wave flags and I am not going to repeat myself. Read my previous post.
BTW do you know that at the recent football match at Trapezounta between Trapzospor and APOEL there were 20, 000 funs waving 13, 000 flags of the pseudo? According to your logic Trapezounta city was turned into a "trnc".

Anyway enough said from me about this stupid flags thing. I am not going to reply ny further.

All land should be restored to its rightful owners, or they should be compensated to an agreeable amount at todays values. . .

Countries are not sellable. My country includes MY property and is NOT sellable.

As for the native turkish settlers, that is a difficult one, as if turkey enters the EU they will have a right to stay!

Stay where? In my house? No…..
In a hotel yes, think about it.

[Natty]

I would lilke a GC to explain this to me;
In the Australian open (Tennis) a GC made it to the final and in the crowd were loads and loads of flags waving.
Why were they all Greek national flags?
One of them had a slogan written on it in english.It read
Constantinople is greek, Macedonia is Greek!!!

May I, as a Turkish Cypriot explain why there were a lot of Greek Flags at the Australian Open. Before I give you the answer, see if you can figure it out yourself. Suppose the Cypriot tennis player was a TC, would you have not expected to see a lot of Turkish flags.? Just like the Greek flags, there's every chance, that those that carried the Greek flags, were actually Greeks, from Greece supporting their GC's friends in Cyprus, just as Turks would have done with the Turkish Flags, supporting their TC's friends, in Cyprus. Had the Cypriot player wore a foreign "Flag" colours, then you would have a reason to complain, otherwise, no one has control who goes to a match or any other sport events, and which flag they bring with them.

You make a very valid point Kikapu!

[Natty]

The above editorial appeared in the GC daily Apogevmatini (afternoon) and it was published on the 5th of July 1974, before the Coup and the Invasion!

Natty that’s a shocking piece of evidence!!
Are you sure however it’s genuine? I believe Apogevmatini started circulating in1976….

NB.
1) Everybody knows the stupid Greek Junta Generals were planning partition and annexation of the remaining part of Cyprus to Greece.
2) Why only the Greeks have stupid Generals?

Hi Pypolizer! Sorry it took so long to answer your question...

I believe it is genuine, as it came from (What appears to be a very well researched book) 'Hostage to History', although, as you say, it could of course be a 'fake' so to speak, as you believe it started circulating in 1976...

I can't pretend to know too much about the newspaper, it would be great if anyone who new when the newspaper first started circulating, could let us know. It would be very much appreciated! (Hint Hint )