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[Viewpoint]

Why did you guys run away and not stay in your homes? Just like we are advised by GCs that we wanted to go into ghettos in 1963 and that it was not out of fear but purely an urge to live in bad conditions and cause havoc, I can also comment that you should have stood your ground and staked claim to your homes and land. Why did you try to fight the Turkish army? they declared we are here to save you from the coup if you fire at us we will fire back with greater force. The GCs fired the first bullets and bombs from the mountains at the Turkish forces landing in Kyrenia where thousands of soldiers died, why didnt they greet them with flowers? and thank them for using their rights under the guarantee to intervene in situations such as the ones unfolding in 1974?

[MR-from-NG]

Excellent post Viewpoint.

[miltiades]

Piratis , you can compare your self to the Palestinians if this is what you believe. But Cyprus is nothing of the sort .We are different in the fact that we are not governed by people with long beards , we do not kill our women relatives for the crime of being raped for having extra marital sex , neither do we make our women sit on the back of a bus , or walk 10 steps behind us. This is their culture and it is not ours.
As far the political scene is concerned , Israel is building a wall around it to stop suicide missions. We have opened the gates to both parts of Cyprus. We are negotiating without firing one shot , we do not hate our Cypriot compatriots and we strive for a solution that all Cypriots will find acceptable.

We are not calling for the annihilation of Turkey and we support Turkeys efforts to enter Europe.
If you think the Hamas is representative of the Cypriot struggle and that the Palestinians share a common heritage / culture with the Cypriots then I m sorry to disagree .

One final point , I do hope that by comparing the Palestinians to Cypriots you have considered their strong support for Al Qeada too.

[Piratis]

Why did you guys run away and not stay in your homes? Just like we are advised by GCs that we wanted to go into ghettos in 1963 and that it was not out of fear but purely an urge to live in bad conditions and cause havoc, I can also comment that you should have stood your ground and staked claim to your homes and land. Why did you try to fight the Turkish army? they declared we are here to save you from the coup if you fire at us we will fire back with greater force. The GCs fired the first bullets and bombs from the mountains at the Turkish forces landing in Kyrenia where thousands of soldiers died, why didnt they greet them with flowers? and thank them for using their rights under the guarantee to intervene in situations such as the ones unfolding in 1974?

You are shameless.
The airplanes of Turkey started bombing villages and killing innocent people, they were invading our country in full scale, butchering everybody they could find infront of them, raping under age girls and committing the usual atrocities that the Turks commit not only against us but against many other people (Armenians, Kurds etc) and then you have the nerve to tell us that we should have greeted them with flowers?

Turkey came with the intent of ethnically cleansing our land. If we had stayed, apart from ethnic cleaning, a full scale genocide would have been performed and this is shown by the 6000 innocent people that died within days.

Imagine: In the tragedy that is happening now in Lebanon some 100s of people have died so far. During about the same time frame the Turks had butchered several thousands of Greek Cypriots.

So yes Viewpoint, the unarmed innocent Cypriots had no choice other than running to save their lives from the butchers of the barbarian Turkish army.

Not even Israel will question why people are fleeing their homes when they are bombed. Only Turks can do that!

[Viewpoint]

Why did you guys run away and not stay in your homes? Just like we are advised by GCs that we wanted to go into ghettos in 1963 and that it was not out of fear but purely an urge to live in bad conditions and cause havoc, I can also comment that you should have stood your ground and staked claim to your homes and land. Why did you try to fight the Turkish army? they declared we are here to save you from the coup if you fire at us we will fire back with greater force. The GCs fired the first bullets and bombs from the mountains at the Turkish forces landing in Kyrenia where thousands of soldiers died, why didnt they greet them with flowers? and thank them for using their rights under the guarantee to intervene in situations such as the ones unfolding in 1974?

You are shameless.
The airplanes of Turkey started bombing villages and killing innocent people, they were invading our country in full scale, butchering everybody they could find infront of them, raping under age girls and committing the usual atrocities that the Turks commit not only against us but against many other people (Armenians, Kurds etc) and then you have the nerve to tell us that we should have greeted them with flowers?

Turkey came with the intent of ethnically cleansing our land. If we had stayed, apart from ethnic cleaning, a full scale genocide would have been performed and this is shown by the 6000 innocent people that died within days.

Imagine: In the tragedy that is happening now in Lebanon some 100s of people have died so far. During about the same time frame the Turks had butchered several thousands of Greek Cypriots.

So yes Viewpoint, the unarmed innocent Cypriots had no choice other than running to save their lives from the butchers of the barbarian Turkish army.

Not even Israel will question why people are fleeing their homes when they are bombed. Only Turks can do that!

Total rubbish, the airplanes only came into the scenerio when the forces landing on the beaches were being bombed by you guys, it is at this point that thousands of Turkish soldiers died and you expect them not retaliate with even greater force, it was all out war the moment you fired a shot at the landing forces. After that all hell broke loose and there is no explanation to who is killed and who is not everyone is out to save their own lives and people are not functioning methodically they are irrational and animal like this has happened in all the wars, vietnam, iraq and world wars 1 & 2. So dont give me all that crap about we were innocent victims, its very very regrettable that war should happen becuase innocent people get killed but you played with dinamite and it exploded in your face, you should have thought about the fallout before you lit the fuse.
This is the same mentality a few of you sidplay on this forum and one other when you state we imposed isolation upon oursleves not out of fear for our lives and discrimination but for the fun of it.

[Piratis]

Miltiades, I never said that Cypriots have the same kind of culture with Palestinians, Japanese, Brazilians etc.

What I am comparing here are the two illegal occupations which have many similarities, and the way that these conflicts are presented by some of the pro-Israel, pro-Turkey media.

Their culture is irrelevant with this issue, unless you believe that people should die or be enslaved if we believe that their culture is not good enough.

By the way, Palestinians, and especially Lebanese have a culture that is much closer to ours than some of Americas best friends like Saudi Arabia were the discrimination against women etc are at its maximum. Why nobody is talking about them? Because they have lots of shares in the companies of Bush?

[Piratis]

Total rubbish, the airplanes only came into the scenerio when the forces landing on the beaches were being bombed by you guys, it is at this point that thousands of Turkish soldiers died and you expect them not retaliate with even greater force, it was all out war the moment you fired a shot at the landing forces.

Watch the film Viewpoint, what you are saying now is again very similar what they Israelis say. YOU (and Israel) invade, occupy, butcher, bomb, rape (ok, maybe this is not done by the Israelis), and if anybody tries to resist to your aggression then you "retaliate".

And I am sure you will tell us that you retaliated when you butchered the Armenians as well, and it was not a genocide, right?
And you retaliated when you were bombing the Kurdish villages killing thousands of innocent people, right?

End your illegal occupation immidietly and stop the lame excuses!

[Viewpoint]

Dont divert the issue onto other matters, you lit that fuse and you know it.

The division will only end when we agree how we intend to unite if we cannot agree on anything then the current situation will continue for a very long time to come.

[Natty]

I really feel for the Palestinians, with what they have to live with day in day out, I mean having your house buldozed whilst your still in it??? I don't agree with suicide bombers, and I do also feel for the innocent Israeli's that get killed in shops, on buses, etc...But I think people have to have at least a little bit of, urm... empathy for the Palestinian 'suicide' bombers, for what they live with, for how they feel they don't have any other choice....although again let me stress I'm not saying that I agree with their methods...

Although there is one sure way to stop (well at least I hope stop) the suicide bombers, and that is to stop the illegal occupation, an illegal ocupation that the American media seems to have forgoten about....

Peace!!

[miltiades]

Viewpoint , get a hold of your self , you are exaggerating again , how many thousands of Turkish troops died ???

YOU WROTE:
""it is at this point that thousands of Turkish soldiers died and you expect them not retaliate with even greater force, it was all out war the moment you ""

You tend to over estimate the capabilities of the G/Cs to inflict harm on the Turkish army.
YOU USE THE SAME ANALOGY WHEN DEALING WITH WHAT YOU CALL THE "CLEANSING " OF T/Cs
It's called propaganda , its unsubstantiated figures from the top of your head , that really is not necessary.
I think from the top of my head the number of Turkish troops that were killed was no more than a few hundred if that , but as I said I'm using the same criteria as you do , the top of my head.