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[magikthrill]

um, i suggest you read my entire post, including the quote to which i was responded.

iwas being sarcastic to brothers "may harm find their way" quote.

[turkcyp]

If Papadapulos vetos Turkey's entry to EU, then the probability that TRNC will be recognized one day substantially increases.

[-mikkie2-]

The fact is also that Cyprus will not veto Turkey.

Don't think that Papadopoulos is stupid. He knows that a yes gives him so many more options for the future.

All he is doing is playing the game and he is doing it well. The Turks are squealing, but at the end of the day, Erdogan doesn't want Turkey to revert back to military rule, because a no on the 17th will probably mean just that.

Expect a yes on the 17th with a some kind of recognition of Cyprus. That would also be the beginning of the end of the 'trnc'.

From then on everything is possible.

[metecyp]

The fact is also that Cyprus will not veto Turkey.

I agree. I remember you said this before but Piratis kept insisting how Cyprus might veto Turkey. I wonder what he thinks now...

Expect a yes on the 17th with a some kind of recognition of Cyprus. That would also be the beginning of the end of the 'trnc'.

I also expect the same but I don't think that the full recognition will happen before a solution. It might be some kind of partial recognition which is already the case anyway.

[turkcyp]

Expect a yes on the 17th with a some kind of recognition of Cyprus. That would also be the beginning of the end of the 'trnc'.

From then on everything is possible.

Dear Mikkie2,

You know what the preamble of TRNC constitution says. It says that TRNC is looking forward to finding a federal solution to Cyprus problem.

So even TCs never thought that TRNC would live forever. TRNC is just a tool for TCs to achieve what they want in the final settlement.

The worst thing that will happen to TCs is that Turkey will recognize RoC tomorrow as of 1963, with the condition of property settlement. And quite frankly, after there is a property settlement, I rather live in 1960 constitution then living Annan Plan. Annan Plan was reducing TC rights substantially.

The problem is that GCs, when they talk about RoC, they do not intend to apply 1960 constitution. For them it is not acceptable. You guys should decide if you can live in 1960 constitution or not. When they talk about returning to RoC they mean truning to a state you have cretaed after 1963 without our input. This is what is not acceptable for us.

If you guys want changes to 1960 constitution, make your proposals, and we are more then willing to discuss them. For instance, we can change the 70-30% rate in the goverment offices to 82-18% if you want. We can make the whole island demilitarised if you want. We can increse the number of reprsentatives from 50 to 80 as you have done. Make your proposals, and if they are acceptabel we will accept them.

But you should not be doing, what you did in 1963, when your proposals are not acceptable.

It was a constitution based on two community federation rather than state federation, under the disguise of unitary state.

Anyway we will see what happens, but I quite frankly believe that Cyprus will be solved at the UN level not at the EU level.

You have a great day,

[brother]

Magicthrill, my response was to elias crap posts that he keeps putting up and nothing else i have around 700 posts that define my position about what i believe in, but also to answer your post 'yes' there was mass rapes of tc as well and many women had abortions also about greeks looking like turks well that is probably something to do with the fact the Ottomans ruled you for 500 years give or take a few years.

But if i looked like a greek that would be no bad thing(maybe the nose )

At the end of the day i fully support the idea of a cypriot nation but when i suggest it i keep getting shot down.

[Piratis]

I agree. I remember you said this before but Piratis kept insisting how Cyprus might veto Turkey. I wonder what he thinks now...

What I didn't say is that Cyprus will veto Turkey. What I said is that Cyprus should work in this direction along with other counties that oppose Turkish membership, and it should continue to do so after 17 Dec whatever the result might be. We should make sure that the countries that want to stop Turkey will have another very good reason (excuse for them) to do so.

Personally I believe that allowing Turkey to start negotiations now is not for our benefit. But we will probably not veto because of the American pressures.

This is why I said that Papadopoulos should declare from now that for the final acceptance of Turkey (in 15-20 years) Cyprus will decide by referendum. Governments can not withstand such pressure. The people will.

[erolz]

This is why I said that Papadopoulos should declare from now that for the final acceptance of Turkey (in 15-20 years) Cyprus will decide by referendum. Governments can not withstand such pressure. The people will.

The Irish people originaly 'vetoed' the expansion of the EU that included the RoC's entry into the EU. The referendum was re held and a 'yes' vote was secured. You owe your current membership in the EU to the fact that the Irish people in the end did not withstand the 'pressure'.

[brother]

Well you was right piratis the ROC did not withstand the pressure, in 10-15 years time we may get the chance to see if the people will withstand the pressure.