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[Bananiot]

Piratis, if you did not get it, perhaps its your IQ that is subject to question. Of course your problem is that you are clueless as to how politics work in a real work as you contemplate for a legalistic solution to a predominantly political problem which is the Cyprob. Our problem began in 1955 and going back to the Ottoman times is an absolute waste of time, but of course I am wasting my time trying to put some sense into you.

[rolo]

Mr Kifeas

my intensions were merely to ballance your comment on detailed plans.

The Greeks to had extremely detailed plans too.


As for your views on courts regarding these matters, here i must totally agree with your comments. Who has the authority indeed? and what powers of enforcement do they have? Other than bringing a recognised war criminal such as Hitler or Grivas to trial, very little.

So why should govts spends millions on courte that have no powers to enact a judgement. You have perfectly answered your own question as to why Turkey is reluctant to get involved in these toothless hearings, does it not?


I hope this goes someway to addressing your concerns.

Now please tell us the lies you have read in THE GENOCIDE FILES.

[Kifeas]

Piratis, if you did not get it, perhaps its your IQ that is subject to question. Of course your problem is that you are clueless as to how politics work in a real work as you contemplate for a legalistic solution to a predominantly political problem which is the Cyprob. Our problem began in 1955 and going back to the Ottoman times is an absolute waste of time, but of course I am wasting my time trying to put some sense into you.

And why our problem begins in 1955, and not in 1954 that the British said their notorious "never," or in the early 50's when they "steered up" Turkey to begin getting involved in the Cyprus issue-despite the treaty of sevres, or in 1940, or even in the early 1920's, when they themselves in broth cases promised "enosis" to the GCs?

Why our problem doesn’t go back to the time the British took over from the ottomans, in which case they picked up and continued the so-called “millet devlet systemi” that the ottomans used to follow, and they followed the same practice of holding the two communities separated and antagonistic to each other, for their own benefits?

[Piratis]

Our problem began in 1955

Sure, I remember the day you said you would much prefer if Cyprus was still a UK colony. So I understand why your problem begun in 1955.
However our problem, was that we were slaves of others and that our freedom, human and democratic rights had been oppressed. This was the case in 1954 and in 1900 and in 1800 as well.

Now if for you in 1950 or in 1900 or 1800 etc there was no problem that GCs were slaves then I hope you understand the majority of Cypriots have a lot more dignity than you do and do not share your pathetic beliefs.

Of course your problem is that you are clueless as to how politics work in a real work as you contemplate for a legalistic solution to a predominantly political problem which is the Cyprob.

The problem is that part of Republic of Cyprus is illegally occupied and the human and democratic rights violations. What is the Cyprus problem according to you Bananiot? That Cyprus is not a colony anymore and that the little voice and partial independence that we have now should also be taken away from us to solve your problem and return to what we had when we were under the British or under the Ottomans, when there was no problem according to your sick logic?

[Kifeas]

Mr Kifeas

my intensions were merely to ballance your comment on detailed plans.

The Greeks to had extremely detailed plans too.


As for your views on courts regarding these matters, here i must totally agree with your comments. Who has the authority indeed? and what powers of enforcement do they have? Other than bringing a recognised war criminal such as Hitler or Grivas to trial, very little.

So why should govts spends millions on courte that have no powers to enact a judgement. You have perfectly answered your own question as to why Turkey is reluctant to get involved in these toothless hearings, does it not?


I hope this goes someway to addressing your concerns.

Now please tell us the lies you have read in THE GENOCIDE FILES.

Rolo, I do not have the "book" at hand to go over it, page by page, and tell you were it lies, were it manipulates and misinforms, were it misrepresents and were it exaggerates or tells half the truth; nor do I have such an interest in doing so. I have gone over it once and read some substantial portion of it, and I have my strong opinion as to why it was written and what purpose and cause it wanted to serve. It is a poorly conceived and arbitrary at large "diatribe" aiming to establish the theoretical and ideological foundations of the Denktash’s cause of partition. If you are a defender of partition, then you may use and treat it as your bible.

As a quick example of what I mean, this is the review from one of the people serving in the UN in Cyprus before and during 1974 that he posted in the Amazone.co.uk, on some of the allegations the book makes, especially during the late pre-1974 period.

I was in the U.N. medical corps in Cyprus from 1970-1975 and can still recall the terror that Turkish airforce jets brought on the civilian populations of Cyprus. We tended to the dead and wounded after the attack on the village of Episkopi where five innocent workers were killed with napalm dropped from the Turkish jets in 1964.
I feel this book does not give an impartial account and history of the problems in Cyprus and does a great disservice to the memory of the Greek and Turkish Cypriots who died on the island. It does not give a true account of the ethnic anatagonisms in Cyprus, as i remember it. The book gives 100% emphasis on the Greeks as the cause of the troubles but omits to mention the terrorist groups brought in from Turkey as far back as 1954 to instigate troubles between the two communities.
It singles out the Greek Cypriot community as committing genocide, when i remember a distinct clash of the Turkish and Greek communities insitgated by nationalist elements in their respective motherlands (Greece and Turkey). Acts of genocide did not take place as described in the book - we oversaw the treatment of wounded and dead from both the turkish and greek communities. Only when the Turkish Army invaded in 1974, did the nationalist elements on the greek side exact revenge on the Turkish civilian population as the Turkish army had been found raping and killing civilians of the Greek community. The inter-communal fighting was not even mentioned once in the book, which is remarkable for a supposed unabridged book about Cyprus.
Also, there are incredibly large amounts of grammatical errors and punctuation mistakes in the text which does not leave a good impression on the author and/or publisher. The mistakes would be excusable, were it not for the fact that the book contains a great number of mistakes in fact and falsifications of events. For example, the author states that the Greek armed forces were in control of 300 tanks at the time of the invasion and that the Turkish contingent were heavily outnumbered. In fact, we were stationed near the Greek base in Nicosia and the Greek Tank corps were quite proud of their 17 tanks of world war 2 vintage. They were the only tanks in Cyprus at any time before the 1974 invasion. This is just one example of how the author gives false information (without any reference or even an index) and tries to steer the reader in believing a totally false account of the events in Cyprus.
I don't know what the author's motives in this misrepresentation are, but some reviews here have suggested that he is under the employ of the Turkish government. Given this totally one-sided diatribe, bearing no resemblance to my own recollection of events, i cannot disagree with this assertion.
A truly awful book which sets out to give excuses for a brutal Turkish invasion which left some 5000 casualties.
It really is a shame that this book seems to have been written with one aim in mind - to falsify history and give a totally biased version of events in the hope of causing hatred instead of mending bridges between the Greeks and Turks of Cyprus. What a great opportunity lost......

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[MR-from-NG]

I was in the U.N. medical corps in Cyprus from 1970-1975 and can still recall the terror that Turkish airforce jets brought on the civilian populations of Cyprus. We tended to the dead and wounded after the attack on the village of Episkopi where five innocent workers were killed with napalm dropped from the Turkish jets in 1964.
I feel this book does not give an impartial account and history of the problems in Cyprus and does a great disservice to the memory of the Greek and Turkish Cypriots who died on the island. It does not give a true account of the ethnic anatagonisms in Cyprus, as i remember it. The book gives 100% emphasis on the Greeks as the cause of the troubles but omits to mention the terrorist groups brought in from Turkey as far back as 1954 to instigate troubles between the two communities.
It singles out the Greek Cypriot community as committing genocide, when i remember a distinct clash of the Turkish and Greek communities insitgated by nationalist elements in their respective motherlands (Greece and Turkey). Acts of genocide did not take place as described in the book - we oversaw the treatment of wounded and dead from both the turkish and greek communities. Only when the Turkish Army invaded in 1974, did the nationalist elements on the greek side exact revenge on the Turkish civilian population as the Turkish army had been found raping and killing civilians of the Greek community. The inter-communal fighting was not even mentioned once in the book, which is remarkable for a supposed unabridged book about Cyprus.
Also, there are incredibly large amounts of grammatical errors and punctuation mistakes in the text which does not leave a good impression on the author and/or publisher. The mistakes would be excusable, were it not for the fact that the book contains a great number of mistakes in fact and falsifications of events. For example, the author states that the Greek armed forces were in control of 300 tanks at the time of the invasion and that the Turkish contingent were heavily outnumbered. In fact, we were stationed near the Greek base in Nicosia and the Greek Tank corps were quite proud of their 17 tanks of world war 2 vintage. They were the only tanks in Cyprus at any time before the 1974 invasion. This is just one example of how the author gives false information (without any reference or even an index) and tries to steer the reader in believing a totally false account of the events in Cyprus.
I don't know what the author's motives in this misrepresentation are, but some reviews here have suggested that he is under the employ of the Turkish government. Given this totally one-sided diatribe, bearing no resemblance to my own recollection of events, i cannot disagree with this assertion.
A truly awful book which sets out to give excuses for a brutal Turkish invasion which left some 5000 casualties.
It really is a shame that this book seems to have been written with one aim in mind - to falsify history and give a totally biased version of events in the hope of causing hatred instead of mending bridges between the Greeks and Turks of Cyprus. What a great opportunity lost......

This is either fabricated or big money was paid to the scumbag that went to the trouble of writing it. A six year old kid can smell something fishy in all this.

[Biker]

EOKA was an organization formed to fight the colonialists out of Cyprus. Were you or your father supporting the oppression and enslavement of Cypriots by the foreign colonialists?

Were you or your father one of those that the colonialist hired to fight along them against those that fought for the liberation of Cyprus?

Are you a "Loyalist" that now comes to accuse us because we fought for the liberation of our island from the foreigners that you supported?

Piratis, in my many years of being in various forums I've never met a more bigotted and blind fool than you.

Your continual monlogue of the same old points, no matter what the topic, show a complete lack of intelligence matched only by no grasp of the reality of the situation of today.

Perhaps you and lysi the louse should start your own forum.

Just for you (although I realise it's pointless )

EOKA (Greek Ethniki Organosis Kypriakou Agonos, “National Organization of Cypriot Struggle”), Greek-Cypriot terrorist organization led by a Greek army officer, Georgios Grivas, and dedicated to uniting Cyprus with Greece. The group was most active between 1956 and 1957 and gave violent expression to a long-standing desire of the Greek-speaking Cypriot population (around 80 per cent of the total population, the remainder being Turkish-speaking) for enosis (union) with Greece.

After the United Kingdom ended over 300 years of Turkish rule by annexing Cyprus and making it a Crown Colony in 1925, the enosis movement became more organized, with Cypriot Archbishop Makarios III as leader, supported by various political groups. In 1955 EOKA began its terrorist campaign to force the British out of Cyprus as a prelude to achieving enosis. It targeted British servicemen and establishments in Cyprus, and the British responded by sending Makarios into exile and attacking EOKA bases.

The British left Cyprus in 1960 and it became an independent state with Makarios as president. However, Grivas continued to campaign for total union with Greece, and to this end formed EOKA B in 1971. Although Makarios banned the group in April 1974, he was himself deposed three months later by several Cypriot national guardsmen who were members of EOKA B. The coup led to a Turkish invasion, civil war, and the eventual partition of the island into separate Greek and Turkish states in 1975, after which date EOKA B ceased to be active.

[Pyrpolizer]

Will you finally stop the pathetic whining of "you have done 100 times worse than us"? It appears in almost all your posts and it is the most childish argument that I have ever been subjected too. You have even vaccinated Pyroplyser with this line and he appears more and more like you every day. One of you is enough, we do not need two.

Defeatist of the forum just show me one post of yours where you challenged or debated any of the TC arguments…. Pathetic creature we don’t need you here. Go away….
All you do is stub your own people from behind.

Piratis do we need traitors here?

Ban him thkiaole…

[sadik]

Kifeas, their names have been given to RoC authorities and official complaints have also been filed in some cases, such as Tohni. Even before any complains being filed, their names were well known on both sides. OF course everybody knows that nothing will come out of these complaints, ever.

The whole thing is very simple, actually. We (as Cypriots) will not punish our own (a GC or a TC) for their crimes against the other community, because the others are still enemies and objects of hatered in our eyes, and we will not touch "our own" for what they did to our enemies. Even though "our own" here are sick cold blooded murderers. So the murderers will continue to roam on our streets. As usual...

Do we Natty? Do we really know who these people that committed the crime at Tohni are? In this case, why do we not file charges against them? How convenient to put all the blame on EOKA B!

Do you know?

If you know, then who are they? Can you post their names here?

If you know, why don't you go to the police and ask them (demand) to open a case and prosecute them?

If they are known, why didn't the previous government of Klerides in which your party was a member of it, did not bring them to justice?

Why didn't Vasiliou, your party leader that was the president for 5 years did not do anything?

[Piratis]

EOKA was an organization formed to fight the colonialists out of Cyprus. Were you or your father supporting the oppression and enslavement of Cypriots by the foreign colonialists?

Were you or your father one of those that the colonialist hired to fight along them against those that fought for the liberation of Cyprus?

Are you a "Loyalist" that now comes to accuse us because we fought for the liberation of our island from the foreigners that you supported?

Piratis, in my many years of being in various forums I've never met a more bigotted and blind fool than you.

Your continual monlogue of the same old points, no matter what the topic, show a complete lack of intelligence matched only by no grasp of the reality of the situation of today.

Perhaps you and lysi the louse should start your own forum.

Just for you (although I realise it's pointless )

EOKA (Greek Ethniki Organosis Kypriakou Agonos, “National Organization of Cypriot Struggle”), Greek-Cypriot terrorist organization led by a Greek army officer, Georgios Grivas, and dedicated to uniting Cyprus with Greece. The group was most active between 1956 and 1957 and gave violent expression to a long-standing desire of the Greek-speaking Cypriot population (around 80 per cent of the total population, the remainder being Turkish-speaking) for enosis (union) with Greece.

After the United Kingdom ended over 300 years of Turkish rule by annexing Cyprus and making it a Crown Colony in 1925, the enosis movement became more organized, with Cypriot Archbishop Makarios III as leader, supported by various political groups. In 1955 EOKA began its terrorist campaign to force the British out of Cyprus as a prelude to achieving enosis. It targeted British servicemen and establishments in Cyprus, and the British responded by sending Makarios into exile and attacking EOKA bases.

The British left Cyprus in 1960 and it became an independent state with Makarios as president. However, Grivas continued to campaign for total union with Greece, and to this end formed EOKA B in 1971. Although Makarios banned the group in April 1974, he was himself deposed three months later by several Cypriot national guardsmen who were members of EOKA B. The coup led to a Turkish invasion, civil war, and the eventual partition of the island into separate Greek and Turkish states in 1975, after which date EOKA B ceased to be active.

Biker, what gives you the right to call me names? Maybe you think that we are still your slaves that you can abuse? Sure Biker, anybody that revolts against the colonialist pigs of your kind is a "terrorist" and anybody that talks in favor of the liberation of Cyprus from the colonialists and foreign powers is a "bigoted fool". I will not drop to your level to reply in kind. I will just ask you to respect the rules of the forum the next time you post again in here.