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[rolo]

sorry its spelt

IPHESTOS plan/files


try searching for it in google

or



http://www.middleeastinfo.org/forum/ind ... topic=8478

With the Turkish army on the north of the island was a Greek-speaking liaison officer, Turkish
Cypriot fighter Erol Fehim. As his unit moved west of Kyrenia, they came across several hastily
abandoned Greek army camps. In the camps they found documents, signed and stamped by the
military, giving complete instructions for the obliteration of the Turkish Cypriot population. When
Erol Fehim read them, he found he was holding in his hands a plan code named Iphestos [Volcano]
1974.


These were the genocide files.

[Piratis]

The Turks performed mass killings of 10s of thousands of Greek Cypriots and the ethnic cleansing of 100s of thousands and as an excuse they are using "plans", papers and fairy tails. Any more lame excuses? Or the "somebody in some forum wrote that some Turk once found some paper with a fairy tale" is the lamest you can get?
The genocides are the ones that the Turks performed by killing 10s of thousands of people in Cyprus and millions of others elsewhere. All those millions are actually dead. Really dead. Not science fiction and fairy tales.

Instead the Turks trying to make everybody else to look as bad as they are so they would feel better with their conscience, I would suggest that they should instead leave behind their middle age practices of land-grab and ethnic cleansing and stop finding lame excuses as to why it is ok for them to continue with crimes and illegalities.

[Kifeas]

Rolo is trying to vindicate and legitimize the illegal Turkish invasion and its consequences and effects on the GC population of northern Cyprus, by citing an unsubstantiated in its existence and /or content plan (“Iphestos,”) that was hypothetically envisioned by the coupists (“Greek” officers in charge of the National Guard,) once they would have taken control of the situation after overthrowing Makarios. The plan -according to one of the theoreticians of partition, H. S. Gibbons, a personal friend of R. Denktash and a confirmed agent of the “Turkish special war office” that also wrote the infamous and full of lies, fabrications and exaggerations “diatribe” called “the Genocide files,” is supposed to have aimed at the annihilation of the TC community, after the coup would have successfully been established in Cyprus.

Well, as I said in a previous posting, no one is in a position to claim with certainty would have happened should the Turkish invasion did not take place, and should the situation continued (if it would have continued) as it emerged after the 15th of July coup against Makarios.

However, if the Turkish side has such a plan in its possession, then why it refused and refuses to this date to proceed to the international court of Hague, as it was invited by the RoC, in order to have it rule upon the legality of the Turkish invasion. Isn’t the “existence” of such a plan, a very concrete evidence on which to base its allegation that the Turkish invasion was an absolute necessity in order to save the endangered lives of the TC community.

Secondly, besides the case of the International court of Hague -in which both countries (i.e. Turkey and Cyprus) should mutually concede to have their dispute been examined by the court, Cyprus has also taken Turkey to the European Court of Human Rights (ECHR) and obtained a ruling against Turkey for the ethnic cleansing and usurping of the GC’s homes and properties in the occupied north and the violation of their human rights, as well as the violation of some of TCs human rights. (Cyprus vs. Turkey, ECHR.) Turkey, not only did not provide the existence of the above so-called “Iphestos” plan as evidence of the necessity of its actions, but it did not even appear at the court in order to defend itself, thus the court issued its ruling by which it condemned and found Turkey to be guilty of the above violations.

Furthermore, there are several UN SC and GA resolutions, as well as CoE resolutions indicating and highlighting the illegality and illegitimacy of the Turkish actions, both in 1974 and afterwards, and in none of them Turkey tried to defend itself by citing such a plan as evidence of the necessarily of any of its actions.

[rolo]

No no no Mr Kifeas. How do you “know” what I am trying to do? Who are you to pass judgement on my intensions?


Turks need no more vindication to implement their mutually agreed on rights (even by your administration) than the events of Nov 63 and every other illegal act perpetrated daily by the Greek Cypriot govt 1963 – 74. .


As for taking the iphestos files to euhr, please don’t make me laugh again. The less said the better, even an amateur solicitor can figure out the Greek defence on that one. Irrespective and with due respect to these courts, their findings seem to have little impact.

Did not an Athenian court rule that The Invasion was legal? Is that ruling not legal and binding?
Has that ruling sunk into your head yet? oh no.


Anyway please tell us more about that book you referred to: Genocide Files. I’ve heard a lot about it and keep meaning to buy a copy. You say it is full of lies, and since you have obviously read it, can you please tell us all where the lies are so that any interested party wishing to read it can ignore them. As for the author being a personal friend of Mr Denktas, don’t you know that everyone in Northern Cyprus is either a personal friend or relative of everyone else (including Denktas), if not, they have personal friend or relative who is. The tcs seem to be a very friendly people that way.

as for the tc fate had the invasion not happened, ............. oh p-l-e-a-s-e stop.
Tc's living under enosis? Enough tc's died living under a Preist.

So don’t let us down now, please quote all the lies from that book – THE GENOCIDE FILES

[Piratis]

Why should we waste out time with your propaganda crap book rolo?

The TCs suffered once, that GCs suffered 101. And nobody would have to suffer if Turks didn't invade the island in the first place when they first came to Cyprus.

So we propose that we should leave the past behind, and finally all accept democracy, human rights, equality of citizens without racist discriminations and peace. Yet, Turks for once more, reject this offer, finding as an excuse the 1% of time GCs have been bad, forgetting that they have been bad the other 99% of the time and they continue to insist on crimes and illegalities as we speak.

The Turks who are have butchered many millions of people and performed genocides against many, and that in Cyprus have killed 10s of thousands of Greek Cypriots and oppressed us for centuries and continue the crimes against us as we speak come here to accuse us of genocide because some 100s of their own have been killed in an intercommunal conflict were an equal number of GCs have been killed as well?

What you say are LAME EXCUSES OF CRIMINALS. Like those that murderers say in the courts and the judges laugh at them and sentence them to life in prison.

The ECHR and every other decent independent court has also laughed at you lame excuses. So why you insist on this lame propaganda of yours and you don't just stop the crimes?

[Bananiot]

Piratis, you are funny, you remind me of Kaka's George. He was brought to court accused of theft and the judge said to him "I can bring you three persons who saw you steal" to which George of Kaka replied "I can bring you 100 persons who did not see me steal".

Will you finally stop the pathetic whining of "you have done 100 times worse than us"? It appears in almost all your posts and it is the most childish argument that I have ever been subjected too. You have even vaccinated Pyroplyser with this line and he appears more and more like you every day. One of you is enough, we do not need two.

[Kifeas]

No no no Mr Kifeas. How do you “know” what I am trying to do? Who are you to pass judgement on my intensions?

And, putting aside your profoundly cynical and sarcastic style, can you please tell us what your intentions are, if not the ones I suggested?

Turks need no more vindication to implement their mutually agreed on rights (even by your administration) than the events of Nov 63 and every other illegal act perpetrated daily by the Greek Cypriot govt 1963 – 74.

I know perfectly well the illegal and otherwise acts perpetrated by the GC side. Do you by chance happen to know the equally illegal and otherwise acts perpetrated by the TC side during the same period? I bet the Genocide files didn’t teach you any of them?

As for taking the iphestos files to euhr, please don’t make me laugh again. The less said the better, even an amateur solicitor can figure out the Greek defence on that one. Irrespective and with due respect to these courts, their findings seem to have little impact.

Really?
And what is supposed to be a valid defense for all that Turkey was accused and condemned by “these” courts? Unless of course there isn’t much available that Turkey may use for its defense. It seems that this is the case, and that is why in fact Turkey refused to even appear in front of these courts. And if the courts’ findings “seem to have little impact,” then whose founding should have more impact? Harry Scott Gibbons’ findings? The genocide files should have the most impact?

Did not an Athenian court rule that The Invasion was legal? Is that ruling not legal and binding?
Has that ruling sunk into your head yet? oh no.

Now you really make me laugh!
And upon what authority the Athenian court “ruled,” as you claim, that the invasion was legal? Since when a national court of anyone country has the authority and the jurisdiction to rule upon an international dispute such as the Turkish invasion? Did it also rule that the coup against Makarios that the “Greek” junta perpetrated was also legal? Give us a break rolo. It is obvious that you have no clue of what you are talking about!

[Kifeas]

Piratis, you are funny, you remind me of Kaka's George. He was brought to court accused of theft and the judge said to him "I can bring you three persons who saw you steal" to which George of Kaka replied "I can bring you 100 persons who did not see me steal".

Will you finally stop the pathetic whining of "you have done 100 times worse than us"? It appears in almost all your posts and it is the most childish argument that I have ever been subjected too. You have even vaccinated Pyroplyser with this line and he appears more and more like you every day. One of you is enough, we do not need two.

Apparently I haven't seen you saying the same to all those of your TC friends that do precisely the same all the time. You seem to enjoy reading their posts, but of course you do not like to hear the sounds of the opposite violin.

How pathetic you have become really.

[rolo]

Well Mr Piratis. since you know The Genocide Files to be propoganda you too must also have read it. Could you therefore please inform us which bits are propoganda, so we may dismiss them as such?

[Piratis]

Piratis, you are funny, you remind me of Kaka's George. He was brought to court accused of theft and the judge said to him "I can bring you three persons who saw you steal" to which George of Kaka replied "I can bring you 100 persons who did not see me steal".

Bananiot, your IQ is very low it seems. Have you ever taken a Logic course, it might improve your situation.

Explain me how what you said above relates in any way with what I said.

Here is a more correct version of your story:

The Ottoman Turk "judge" tells to Piratis "You killed one super human Turk, and for this you, your children and all your relatives deserve the death penalty" to which Piratis replied "How can you judge me, when you are the master-butcher and with your directions millions of innocent people have died?"

Will you finally stop the pathetic whining of "you have done 100 times worse than us"?

For as long as they demand our punishment for the 1/100th of the crimes we have committed then I will remind them about the 100 times more crimes they committed against us (and they continue to commit as we speak) which they conveniently forget in an effort to victimize Greek Cypriots for one more time as they have done for the most part of the history since they set their foot on this island.

If for you it is "pathetic whining" to point out that GCs do not deserve to be punished, then what do you call those TCs that keep using the past in a super seletive way as an excuse to violate our human rights today? They are not whining and I do according to you?