andri_cy wrote:kerez wrote:Kifeas wrote:Kerez, do you have info or evidence on people that committed such murders?
Do you know any other people that have such info or evidence? Yes or No?
If you have or you know other people that have such evidence or info, can you come to the police and make them available, and ask for investigation and prosecution in the courts? Yes or No?
If your answer to any of the above questions is “No” then better stop this discussion since it is completely meaningless and it only aims at carrying out anti-GC propaganda.
YES MANY TC AND GC HAVE NAMES, THE FIRST ONE IS TPAP AND ON PAGE ON IS THE START OF THE EVIDENCE.
NOW LETS SEE IF YOU THE SUPERIOR GC WHO FOLLOWS THE RULE OF LAW AND HUMAN RIGHTS WILL ACT ON IT.
I AM BETTING YOU WILL NOT.
ALSO THIS IS NOT ANTI GC PROPOGANDA BUT THE TRUTH WHICH I KNOW HURTS BUT NEVER THE LESS THE TRUTH.
So your proof is an excerpt from a book someone wrote? Does he have evidence or does he only know how to accuse people to make noise? Just asking...
Let me come back to this issue once more, since some individuals in the forum (including a GC, Bananiot, who beyond doubt must be on the Anglo-American payroll) have it in their agendas to “incriminate” and victimize the GC side, load all the blame for 1974 on its shoulders, and subsequently “vindicate” the Turkish invasion so that they “justify” the need for the acceptance by the GC side of the its illegitimate fait accomplices in and since 1974. These people do not care for the truth for the sake of the truth, and they do not care for history for the sake of history. They only care about how to misrepresent and misinterpret history in order to mislead, for the above reasons. We know the game well, and we will not let it pass!
Since early 1964, and after the constitutional crisis that lead to the eruption of intercommunal violence and the consequent UN intervention with a SC resolution and the appointment of peacekeeping troops, the TC side -under the guidance of Turkey and the TMT, had encaged itself in a relentless separatist and secessionist struggle aiming at the preparation of the ground for a Turkish invasion and partition, based on very detailed plans that were forged in Turkey long before and were kept updated continuously. The TC side, acting under the above agenda, were engaged in constant importation of arms and personnel from Turkey, expansion and solidification of the enclaves, capturing of strategic locations for an invasion to effectively materialize as soon as the right conditions and pre-text would be provided. The GC side knew of all these, as well about the role some foreign, mainly British agents -covered under the UN uniforms, were playing, and consequently was looking for ways in order to defend itself and obstruct the Turkish invading and partitionist plans.
The TC side –with the help and guidance of Turkey during this period, was doing proportionally far more pro-separatist acts than the PKK Kurds have done in Turkey, and the RoC (under GC control due to the known events and circumstances) did proportionately far less than what Turkey did in its SE areas in order to obstruct and oppress the Kurdish separatist movement. Of course this is something our Turkish and TC friends tend to ignore and apply double standards, by vindicating the Turkish government’s deeds in Turkey against the Kurdish population and the PKK, and they ignore the fact that they acted in far worst separatist ways in Cyprus, while the GC side did far less against them in order to obstruct them than Turkey did and still does.
It is a fact that every time the GC side and the RoC would take any reaction in order to confront the TC separatist actions, Turkey would threaten with invasion and send its airplanes and ships over and outside Cyprus. They did it in 1963/64, in March 1964, in July 1964 (as it was revealed in a recent CyBC documentary aired last Monday,) in August 1964, in November 1967, in 1971 and finally in 1974. The GC side was living under the above constant threat and fear, presumably in the same way that the TC community was living under the fear that the GCs would try to annihilate them. This by itself created a vicious circle, were the fears of the one side would push it into actions that would vindicate the fears of the other side which in their turn would compel it into reactions that would in their turn vindicate the fears of the other side, and so on and so forth. The GC side was afraid from Turkey’s invading and partitionist plans and its inability to defend itself effectively and was also afraid of the role that the TC were playing into all this, and the TC side was afraid of the GC sides pro-enosis plans and its presumed plans to attack and annihilate them.
Turkey was playing with the use of the invading threat, the TCs were playing by using the preparations for the invading bridgehead enclaves card, and the GC side was playing by using the against TC civilians attacking threat. It was a chicken and an egg or a vicious circle situation that only a neutral and mutually trusted third party could have helped all the sides involved in it to escape from it. The Anglo-Americans that “assume” this role, were not trusted by either of the sides -especially by the GC one, for very valid (as it was proved afterwards) reasons.
In August 1964 we have one such example of the existence of this vicious circle. The TCs in Kokkina /Masoura enclave intensified their activities in transferring weapons and personnel from Turkey with ships docking in Kokkina almost everyday, and they even took the decision to expand the enclave southwards from the sea towards the surrounding mountains, giving the impression to the GC side that they were aiming at creating a landing bridgehead for Turkey to begin invading. They decided to attack the TCs (and most likely mainland Turkish troops and /or officers that were included among them) and re-capture the mountains and even possibly neutralize the Kokkina “naval” base that the TCs had established. Turkey responded by sending its air force which started bombing GC villages with napalm bombs and also sent its navy towards Cyprus. The RoC and the GC side was totally incapable of confront the situation as it did not have air defense to stop the Turkish planes from bombing its civilians or to confront an all scale invasion from the sea, and thus it decided to make use of a threat -essentially a convincing bluff in my opinion, that if the indiscriminating killing (burning) of civilians with bombs did not stop and if the Turkish navy passes into Cyprus territorial waters, they would start attacking and killing T/C civilians. It seems that the threat somehow worked and a Turkish invasion was avoided. It was a decision taken by the entire RoC government in which even Klerides was also a member, and Papadopoulos was the one that wrote the letter and conveyed it to the Turkish side via the American embassy in Cyprus.
Now, the paid enemies of Papadopoulos try to emphasize the fact that it was Papadopoulos that wrote and send the letter, as if it was his decision alone, and as if he indeed (and alone) had such a plan ready in his pocket to attack and annihilate the TCs.
PS: Papdopoullos at the time was the youngest of the entire cabinet of RoC ministers.
