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[Viewpoint]

We are the masters at blaiming everyone else but oourselves. Why arent we solving our problems out now? what excuses do we have today in 2006 the English or the Turtles or maybe the weather. We are kidding ourselves by thinking both sides want a solution they are both paying lip service to this never ending story which is set to drag on for a few more years as if it was solved how would MPs get elected.

Do you believe that if G/C and T/C sat alone on the negotiating table without the U.k ,U.S,Turkey and Greece we will find a solution?
Its when these countries put first their interests instead of the people of Cyprus is when things get complicated.
So there is actually some grain of truth in blaming everybody else.

We have been unable to show those attributes in the past and therefore have to accept manipulation by larger powers, this is our own inability so why o we blame everyone else when we allow other nations to use us for their own gains.
If our leaders had one brain cell between them that worked they would soon realize that direct and sincere talks are the only to solve anything. If the GCs do not win over the TCs I have no hope of a solution. You may say this is rather one sided but in reality the TCs have to see a better opportunity to grab the bull by the horns if the GCs continue with their current attitude they will only drive Tcs further away and firmly into the lap of Turkey. Never under estimate TCs if they want something they will fight for it but unfortunately there is nothing the GC are offering they want. I will give an example during the run up to the referendum and as our technical committees met with GC counterparts the Turks in authority were made very uncomfortable because the TCs were moving closer to the GCs in the hope of creating a united Cyprus. This is what the GCs should encourage a gradual understanding that they are an important part of Cyprus and that in a united Cyprus they have nothing to worry about GCs will share and not dominate. This element is important to so many TCs, its not the land or the fact that settlers are here, it all boils down to controlling ones own destiny, if this is not available and GCs continue to pursue goals that will ensure their numerical majority rules then we are doomed to more of the same...that is what we have today, if theres nothing better on offer for tomorrow then no one will want it.

[Viewpoint]

Duplication

[Pyrpolizer]

I will give an example during the run up to the referendum and as our technical committees met with GC counterparts the Turks in authority were made very uncomfortable because the TCs were moving closer to the GCs in the hope of creating a united Cyprus. This is what the GCs should encourage a gradual understanding that they are an important part of Cyprus and that in a united Cyprus they have nothing to worry about GCs will share and not dominate. This element is important to so many TCs, its not the land or the fact that settlers are here, it all boils down to controlling ones own destiny, if this is not available and GCs continue to pursue goals that will ensure their numerical majority rules then we are doomed to more of the same...that is what we have today, if theres nothing better on offer for tomorrow then no one will want it.

This is the kind of spirit I want to see after a solution. If I see such a spirit from TCs then not only I will sell everything I have in the areas the Tcs live so I help my compatriots build a coherent society I would even tell the guy who now lives in my house to take his time and live there for as long as he likes without any obligation.

Unfortunately what I now see among the TCs is a clear tendency of wanting a real or disguised partition, a state of their own, that we will be forced to sell them or compensate our selves. Therefore under these circumstances I will never support anything that would give it any chance to happen.

The Tcs must convince us for their good intentions and stop doing whatever Turkey tells them. There must be a start. Where is that start? All we ever propose they turn it down.The most striking example being that of Varoshia.
Now look at the technical committes. Whats wrong discussing technically (i.e based on data) the various issues? How can anyone agree on any issue without having agreement on the data by some committes? Yet Talat all day says the technical committes will discuss only secondary issues e.g how much blue the sky should be.

[miltiades]

Mr VP , you are maturing as time goes on , perhaps we will have that drink , paid by Kikapu , in the not too distant future !

[Kikapu]

Mr VP , you are maturing as time goes on , perhaps we will have that drink , paid by Kikapu , in the not too distant future !

My offer to buy the drinks still stands. As a matter of fact, it does not have an expiration date. Please be mindful that I'm 51, so don't wait for ever.!!!

[Viewpoint]

I will give an example during the run up to the referendum and as our technical committees met with GC counterparts the Turks in authority were made very uncomfortable because the TCs were moving closer to the GCs in the hope of creating a united Cyprus. This is what the GCs should encourage a gradual understanding that they are an important part of Cyprus and that in a united Cyprus they have nothing to worry about GCs will share and not dominate. This element is important to so many TCs, its not the land or the fact that settlers are here, it all boils down to controlling ones own destiny, if this is not available and GCs continue to pursue goals that will ensure their numerical majority rules then we are doomed to more of the same...that is what we have today, if theres nothing better on offer for tomorrow then no one will want it.

This is the kind of spirit I want to see after a solution. If I see such a spirit from TCs then not only I will sell everything I have in the areas the Tcs live so I help my compatriots build a coherent society I would even tell the guy who now lives in my house to take his time and live there for as long as he likes without any obligation.

Unfortunately what I now see among the TCs is a clear tendency of wanting a real or disguised partition, a state of their own, that we will be forced to sell them or compensate our selves. Therefore under these circumstances I will never support anything that would give it any chance to happen.

The Tcs must convince us for their good intentions and stop doing whatever Turkey tells them. There must be a start. Where is that start? All we ever propose they turn it down.The most striking example being that of Varoshia.
Now look at the technical committes. Whats wrong discussing technically (i.e based on data) the various issues? How can anyone agree on any issue without having agreement on the data by some committes? Yet Talat all day says the technical committes will discuss only secondary issues e.g how much blue the sky should be.

Pyrpolizer do you realize who we economically and morally dependent on and how many countries have supported us since 1974? Do you think it is easy to tell the mother that feeds yo uto do away and stop feeding me?
The TCs made the biggest effort in 2003 when the unrest in the north against Denktas forced the move of opening the borders and discussions on the Annan plan. The AKP governement forced Denktas to stand his ground and negotiate without backing away which inturn forced the GC hand becuase they had no one to hide behind which was their policy in past years. They could relay on good old Denktas he would surely walk away so predictable but this time that did not happen.
We got rid of Denktas, voted in a moderate man Talat whos for reunificaiton, we took to the streets and staged the worlds biggest protest march, we voted yes to the only plan that was ever put before us... these are very bold moves for us yet all we hear is that they are nothing and that you want division. Just for one second consider it from our side we are smaller in population, we are unrecognized we have only Turkey on our side and you want us to convince you of our good intentions. Do you know any TC people? we are very tollerant, open and well educated people but if you constantly get a barrage of you are thieves, vagabonds parasites and only after your own country then what do you expect us to do. We view this as people who do not want to share anything but take control and after 32 years of having your own states this become more attractive than risking all to unite with people who only want land and not your community.

[Pyrpolizer]

Viewpoint,

Denktash is gone that's true.
Is Talat any better? For me a guy who simply cranches out the time, just hoping you will get out of your isolation without at the same time any GC refugees returning, is the same like Denktash asking for prtition on the same conditions.

[Pyrpolizer]

I will give an example during the run up to the referendum and as our technical committees met with GC counterparts the Turks in authority were made very uncomfortable because the TCs were moving closer to the GCs in the hope of creating a united Cyprus…….

In continuation to my previous message:
Do you know what the stronger argument in favor of the Anan Plan was for me personally? Well, many GC people were saying: vote yes, don’t lose this opportunity, OK it’s not a good plan but the common target of the TCs and us is to get rid of Turkey. As soon as this happens the TCs are very cooperative, they want more than us to make the solution work, they will come first and propose us to correct this plan.

Unfortunately however we had the previous experience of the 60s when the Tcs were not so cooperative in correcting unworkable agreements. So how could I gamble my future once again voting yes to the Anan Plan?

You always talk about your fears against the GCs. Please stop for a moment and think of the fears of the GCs….


@ Miltiades

Miltiades Viewpoint is oscillating between partition and re-unification. Actually he is a guy that tries to find a good solution for everybody. Many of us GCs in this forum oscillate like that all the time (not between partition and unification but between unification on compromises and unification without compromises. So in this respect VP is not less of a Cypriot than the rest of us, although sometimes he gives me on the nerves. Hey some Gcs give me on the nerves too don't worry.

[Bananiot]

Oh yes, they do get on your nerves and quite ... democratically you call for them to be banned from the forum (thkiaole). Then, you declare your unhappiness about the TC's who did not cooperated to become second class citizens (officially) in 1963 and you expect people to take you seriously!

[Pyrpolizer]

Defeatist
of the forum just show me one post of yours where you challenged or debated any of the TC arguments…. Pathetic creature we don’t need you here. Thkiaole go away….