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[Natty]

Hey Rolo, I have never read the book 'The Genocide Files', so I can't really say too much about it, however from what I can see (and I could be wrong), it presends a very 'one sided' view on the Cyprus problem...The Cyprus Issue however, was never the fault of one 'side' (I hate that word, especially when it's used to describe what happened in Cyprus ) completely, or should I say 'party', or even 'community', so a book that appears to suggest this (again I could be wrong), can not, in my opinion, tell the full truth of what really happened in Cyprus all those years ago...An insult and a grave misjustice to all Cypriots...

There are plenty of books, that I believe present a more 'balanced', and 'well researched' view of the turbulent political history of our beautiful island, Cyprus, I really recomened you check them out.....

Peace!!

"The conventional picture, of a dogged and narrow battle of Greek against Turk, has become, with further and better knowledge, simplistic and deceptive..." ('Hostage to History: Cyprus')

[Piratis]

Rolo, the "Genocide files" is nothing but paid Turkish propaganda. Even its title is ridiculous to begin with. The Turks have killed 10s of thousands of Greek Cypriots since the day they set their foot on our island continuing with only a short brake up until 1974, and from then on they performed ethnic cleansing of 200.000 people upon which they insist upon until today, and then this propaganda book accuse GCs of genocide because some 100s of TCs had died in an intercommunal conflict where 100s of GCs had died as well.

Can you comprehend the ridiculousness of the arguments of that propaganda book? Or you prefer to stick to it since you have nothing else to excuse the crimes and illegalities that Turks perform against us today, like they did for the most part of our common history on this island.

[rolo]

Natty


as stated in previous post the book is wrightly or wrongly written with a slant, However it was written by an outsider who wrote about what he saw and should not be dismissed lightly.

At the time the only voices being aloud out of Cyprus were the foreign press and the official greek line. the was no official turkish line to be read. The author decided to counter the offical gc line.

he felt the world should know what he had witnessed.

As ive stated it is biased, but taken that even half of it is true, then no decent human can be unmoved by these accounts.

He claims that the un official number of tcs killed/missing during the Makarios years was about 470. Does this read too one-sided or over exagerated?

Thanks for the response

[Viewpoint]

Both sides automatically dismiss anything written that reveals issues that challenge our beliefs about the Cyprus issue, we even hate and reject countries which show weight to the arguement of a particular side this is nothing new. But the book even if, as you say is half true then it reveals a lot about the our dark history and why TCs shoudl be 100% that the GC mentality has changed and that the mistakes of the past are not repeated sometime in the future.

[miltiades]

VP , You are aware and have said so that both sides committed inhumane acts against each other driven by blind hatred and misguided goals .The way forward is for me to say to you I m sorry for all the terrible things that happened and for you to reciprocate and say sorry to me and to the 200000 Cypriots displaced by the war.

[Viewpoint]

VP , You are aware and have said so that both sides committed inhumane acts against each other driven by blind hatred and misguided goals .The way forward is for me to say to you I m sorry for all the terrible things that happened and for you to reciprocate and say sorry to me and to the 200000 Cypriots displaced by the war.

miltiades I have in the past publicly stated my regret for actions of the TCs which caused GCs hardship and suffering but have had it thrown back in my face with the explanantion you did not commit any of these acts personally so yo u have nothing to apologise for, so I withdraw my post. Yje thread was specifically started so that both sides could find a platform to apologise the Tcs proceeded to apologise but very GCs posted apologies but only dont bother and belittilng comments. So really you have to look deep into your own community to see the lack of sincerity and for the reasons why we will never move forward to find that solution we keep talking about. I have looked into mine and find a people who beyond all odds are still flexible and forgiving enough to say yes to the only plan that was ever put before them but this sincerity is slowly being eroded and in the future will no longer exist. Its a pity the GCs cannot see the result of their actions and words in the north.

[Kikapu]

Viewpoint,
This is the off subject, so I apologize for that, but we TC's had a unique last name (family name) system in the past history of Cyprus, where we all had 2 first names, first and last names. This happened when a child is born and is given a name, the childs last name then became the fathers first name. In my case, my last name is my fathers first name, and my first name is my fathers last name, since I was named after my grand father (my fathers father )In other words, the last name (family name) always changed from one generation to the next. Good luck trying to find TC's family tree.!!
Anyway, can you confirm to me that this practise is being put a stop to by the Authorities and those that want to live in Cyprus from abroad now or in the future, will need to change their last name to a "standard family name". Why is this being done now. Does this has anything to do with Turkey.? Thanks.

[Viewpoint]

Viewpoint,
This is the off subject, so I apologize for that, but we TC's had a unique last name (family name) system in the past history of Cyprus, where we all had 2 first names, first and last names. This happened when a child is born and is given a name, the childs last name then became the fathers first name. In my case, my last name is my fathers first name, and my first name is my fathers last name, since I was named after my grand father (my fathers father )In other words, the last name (family name) always changed from one generation to the next. Good luck trying to find TC's family tree.!!
Anyway, can you confirm to me that this practise is being put a stop to by the Authorities and those that want to live in Cyprus from abroad now or in the future, will need to change their last name to a "standard family name". Why is this being done now. Does this has anything to do with Turkey.? Thanks.

You have to take on a family surname by law now. If you ever come to settle in the TRNC you have to make an application to take on a family surname once and for all. This can be the same surname now used by your father or your uncles (amca) surnames. If those are not what you want you have the right to register something original but that will be that you can not revert to any other surname after you have made your first choice.

[Pyrpolizer]

I was just providing an example where you have taken unilatteral decisions, it didnt stop you from entering the EU why cant you scrap the 1960 consititutions you say were forced upon you becuase if we were still together Im sure you would have tried to water down the TCs communities rights, but now you dont have that problem because you have no TCs involved in your GC state. Hypocritical imho.

Since you abandoned the Government from 1963 all actions can be deemed unilatteral.Not convincing

The solution was more important that the EU but you saw it a way of getting everything you want without compromising, you should have never been admitted without solving your border disputes.

Accession to the EU was already signed one year before.

You tircked and conned your wany in using Greeces weight by threatening to block budjet decisions and double crossing Verhugen with the prospects of a united Cyprus entering the EU.

We didn’t trick anyone and stop been a victim of your propaganda. Accession of Cyprus’s into the EU was agreed 4 (?) years before at Helsinki on exchange of Turkeys EU road remember?

My passport is not a "RoC" passport, not until we have a solution.

Yeah I know. You can travel upto Turkey and all the way back with that. It muswt worth something.

[Kikapu]

Viewpoint,
This is the off subject, so I apologize for that, but we TC's had a unique last name (family name) system in the past history of Cyprus, where we all had 2 first names, first and last names. This happened when a child is born and is given a name, the childs last name then became the fathers first name. In my case, my last name is my fathers first name, and my first name is my fathers last name, since I was named after my grand father (my fathers father )In other words, the last name (family name) always changed from one generation to the next. Good luck trying to find TC's family tree.!!
Anyway, can you confirm to me that this practise is being put a stop to by the Authorities and those that want to live in Cyprus from abroad now or in the future, will need to change their last name to a "standard family name". Why is this being done now. Does this has anything to do with Turkey.? Thanks.

You have to take on a family surname by law now. If you ever come to settle in the TRNC you have to make an application to take on a family surname once and for all. This can be the same surname now used by your father or your uncles (amca) surnames. If those are not what you want you have the right to register something original but that will be that you can not revert to any other surname after you have made your first choice.

Thanks for the info Viewpoint. So in my case, if I take on my fathers last name, which is same as my first name now, I will have two same names, first and last. And if I can't keep my surname as it is now, that would mean changing all my documents from passports to bank cards. I do not have intentions on living in Cyprus in the foreseeable future, but anything can happen.