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miltiades

I also like to believe that our two communities can live in peace as they did for hundreds of years , contrary to what Viewpoint and others would like us believe.

Feel free to prove us wrong I will be the first to applaud, we have had 32 years to make a difference but there comes a time when you just have to admit it is not possbile and that banging your head against a a brick wall will not solve anything but give a headache. You have to learn to let go at some point and move on. That point has not arrived for you just yet but it has for many of us.

[Kifeas]

miltiades

I also like to believe that our two communities can live in peace as they did for hundreds of years , contrary to what Viewpoint and others would like us believe.

Feel free to prove us wrong I will be the first to applaud, we have had 32 years to make a difference but there comes a time when you just have to admit it is not possbile and that banging your head against a a brick wall will not solve anything but give a headache. You have to learn to let go at some point and move on. That point has not arrived for you just yet but it has for many of us.

Okay VP, you convinced us.
Can we now see your map with the 18% of Cyprus that you will keep partitioned for your own separate state?

[Viewpoint]

miltiades

I also like to believe that our two communities can live in peace as they did for hundreds of years , contrary to what Viewpoint and others would like us believe.

Feel free to prove us wrong I will be the first to applaud, we have had 32 years to make a difference but there comes a time when you just have to admit it is not possbile and that banging your head against a a brick wall will not solve anything but give a headache. You have to learn to let go at some point and move on. That point has not arrived for you just yet but it has for many of us.

Okay VP, you convinced us.
Can we now see your map with the 18% of Cyprus that you will keep partitioned for your own separate state?

Lots of issues have to be taken into consideration when drawing the "lines" for the new state to be able to function healthly. The % will also depend very much on how many GCs would like to and can return to north. So its not as simple as me taking a pen a drawing a line.

[Kifeas]

miltiades

I also like to believe that our two communities can live in peace as they did for hundreds of years , contrary to what Viewpoint and others would like us believe.

Feel free to prove us wrong I will be the first to applaud, we have had 32 years to make a difference but there comes a time when you just have to admit it is not possbile and that banging your head against a a brick wall will not solve anything but give a headache. You have to learn to let go at some point and move on. That point has not arrived for you just yet but it has for many of us.

Okay VP, you convinced us.
Can we now see your map with the 18% of Cyprus that you will keep partitioned for your own separate state?

Lots of issues have to be taken into consideration when drawing the "lines" for the new state to be able to function healthly. The % will also depend very much on how many GCs would like to and can return to north. So its not as simple as me taking a pen a drawing a line.

Aren't you talking about complete partition in which you will form your purely TC based country? Why are you asking us how many GCs will want to return? And what other factors should be taken into consideration for the new state to be able to function healthy? Isn't it you that wants partition? Why should we care if your partitioned state will be able to function healthy? We do not care about this; it will be your problem. We are not the ones insisting for partition, but its you. Not only you want us to agree to a partition, but you also want us to subsidise you with extra territory as well, so that your partition can be made more viable. We do not care!

Where is your 18% map?

[Viewpoint]

miltiades

I also like to believe that our two communities can live in peace as they did for hundreds of years , contrary to what Viewpoint and others would like us believe.

Feel free to prove us wrong I will be the first to applaud, we have had 32 years to make a difference but there comes a time when you just have to admit it is not possbile and that banging your head against a a brick wall will not solve anything but give a headache. You have to learn to let go at some point and move on. That point has not arrived for you just yet but it has for many of us.

Okay VP, you convinced us.
Can we now see your map with the 18% of Cyprus that you will keep partitioned for your own separate state?

Lots of issues have to be taken into consideration when drawing the "lines" for the new state to be able to function healthly. The % will also depend very much on how many GCs would like to and can return to north. So its not as simple as me taking a pen a drawing a line.

Aren't you talking about complete partition in which you will form your purely TC based country? Why are you asking us how many GCs will want to return? And what other factors should be taken into consideration for the new state to be able to function healthy? Isn't it you that wants partition? Why should we care if your partitioned state will be able to function healthy? We do not care about this; it will be your problem. We are not the ones insisting for partition, but its you. Not only you want us to agree to a partition, but you also want us to subsidise you with extra territory as well, so that your partition can be made more viable. We do not care!

Where is your 18% map?

You have the wrong end of the stick yet again of course we are talking about completely a seperate state as we have today but recognized in return for land. But me just drawing a line from left to right is meaningless unless the economic viability of a nation is not taken into account when trying to establish a state on approx 18% of land mass. But Kifeas I know why you want the "lines to see if you will get your million CYP back well sorry to say I dont think Lapta will be returned the Karpaz and Guzelyurt regions are more likely. You probably want all the coastline and to enclose us into 18% of the most non-economical viable area so as to continue to have a economical hold like Russia has over Moldova. You can draw the lines if you wish to play that game to see what you would consider a suitable area for us to establish a state on.

[Kifeas]

You have the wrong end of the stick yet again of course we are talking about completely a seperate state as we have today but recognized in return for land. But me just drawing a line from left to right is meaningless unless the economic viability of a nation is not taken into account when trying to establish a state on approx 18% of land mass. But Kifeas I know why you want the "lines to see if you will get your million CYP back well sorry to say I dont think Lapta will be returned the Karpaz and Guzelyurt regions are more likely. You probably want all the coastline and to enclose us into 18% of the most non-economical viable area so as to continue to have a economical hold like Russia has over Moldova. You can draw the lines if you wish to play that game to see what you would consider a suitable area for us to establish a state on.

VP, it is you that wants partition, not us! Your economic viably is your problem! If you are concerned about your economic viability, then the alternative is not more territory, but no partition at all and re-unification instead, or a war! You cannot have your cake and eat it!

I give you the right to choose which areas you will keep, as long as the area is equal to 18% of the occupied north, and the coastlines equal to no more than 22%. If you like, you may reverse it, and keep 22% of the territory, but only 18% of the coastlines. And I have no problem if you include Lapithos, as long as I will be compensated in some fair and reasonable way.

Waiting to see your map!

[Viewpoint]

You have the wrong end of the stick yet again of course we are talking about completely a seperate state as we have today but recognized in return for land. But me just drawing a line from left to right is meaningless unless the economic viability of a nation is not taken into account when trying to establish a state on approx 18% of land mass. But Kifeas I know why you want the "lines to see if you will get your million CYP back well sorry to say I dont think Lapta will be returned the Karpaz and Guzelyurt regions are more likely. You probably want all the coastline and to enclose us into 18% of the most non-economical viable area so as to continue to have a economical hold like Russia has over Moldova. You can draw the lines if you wish to play that game to see what you would consider a suitable area for us to establish a state on.

VP, it is you that wants partition, not us! Your economic viably is your problem! If you are concerned about your economic viability, then the alternative is not more territory, but no partition at all and re-unification instead, or a war! You cannot have your cake and eat it!

I give you the right to choose which areas you will keep, as long as the area is equal to 18% of the occupied north, and the coastlines equal to no more than 22%. If you like, you may reverse it, and keep 22% of the territory, but only 18% of the coastlines. And I have no problem if you include Lapithos, as long as I will be compensated in some fair and reasonable way.

Waiting to see your map!

You will have a very long wait as my drawing lines on a map does not signify a thing and serves no purpose but I personally would agree to the above without hesitation.

[Piratis]

Piratis, if one takes the number 100 from your vocabulary, you would be lost at sea, it seems. I am sorry that I pick on you, but believe me; you are doing your country a huge disservice. You put a huge distance between yourself and the people you say you want to find a solution with, showing no signs of a will for compromise. This is a perfect prescription for partition and if it were just you it wouldn’t have mattered one bit, but unfortunately, this is our official government policy and this, my friend, is destroying Cyprus.

Bananiot, I am indeed not willing to sacrifice a single of my human and democratic rights. Go to UK, France, Germany or any other country in the world and ask them if they agree for their human rights to be violated. Only people with no dignity would accept such thing. I am not one of them (apparently you are).

Compromises can be made within the limits of democracy and human rights. I am more than willing to do so, as I said many times.

Also, compromises can not be made only by one side. We came to an agreement in 1960 that was a huge a compromise. Now we can either return to those agreements, or agree to something different make compromises of equal weight based on those agreements so no side will win on the loss of the other. If such agreement can not be made then the only thing that remains are the 1960 agreements and nothing else.

Yes, our government agrees with me. The governments of Cleredes and Vassiliou were cheating the people by promising one thing and doing another. When people realized the "bent to be screwed" policies, they were kicked out. Do you have a problem with that? If you do let me know and I can arrange for you to be screwed alone if you enjoy it so much. However you can't insist that we should all lose our dignity and drop to your level.

Yes I want to find a DECENT solution, not just any solution. Between a bad indecent, unfair solution (e.g. Annan plan) and no solution I (and most people) would take the second any day.

Therefore stop trying to convince us that we should sacrifice our dignity, democracy, human rights and everything we have so that the Cyprus Problem can be considered "solved". No, such kind of "solutions" we do not want.

Who is destroying Cyprus are those that insist on crimes and illegalities. Not those that demand their human and democratic rights.

[MR-from-NG]

Piratis,

Stop going on about human rights that you know nothing about. The whole world is criticizing your country for its poor record. Look at what you are doing to those poor people coming from Lebanon. Reading your posts one would think you Had an unequalled human rights record.

Juts because you have lied and cheated your way into the EU you seem to think you have become better people.

You put a race saddle on a donkey it doesn't become a race horse, its still a donkey.

[Alexis]

Stop going on about human rights that you know nothing about. The whole world is criticizing your country for its poor record. Look at what you are doing to those poor people coming from Lebanon. Reading your posts one would think you Had an unequalled human rights record.

Who is critisizing Cyprus for its poor human rights record? I've read many articles that expose the corruption in the Cypriot police as well as their heavy-handedness but these hardly expose any problems that are beyond the realms of quite a number of European countries, e.g. the UK, where these are also problems (corruption less so, heavy-handedness very much so). Beyond this I haven't read very much else. Also, when you refer to the poor people from Lebanon what exactly is it you are referring to, I thought Cyprus was helping thse people by offering them a route home? Please let me know if I am wrong. I am certain that if Cyprus had mistreated any of these people the UK media would be all over it, yet I have not heard anything adverse over here, what have you heard?