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WHY HAS THE GC NOT ARRESTED EOKA MURDERERS

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Postby Kifeas » Mon Jul 31, 2006 7:32 pm

sadik wrote:Kifeas, their names have been given to RoC authorities and official complaints have also been filed in some cases, such as Tohni. Even before any complains being filed, their names were well known on both sides. OF course everybody knows that nothing will come out of these complaints, ever.

The whole thing is very simple, actually. We (as Cypriots) will not punish our own (a GC or a TC) for their crimes against the other community, because the others are still enemies and objects of hatered in our eyes, and we will not touch "our own" for what they did to our enemies. Even though "our own" here are sick cold blooded murderers. So the murderers will continue to roam on our streets. As usual...



Sadik, I do not dispute at all what you are saying, even though the main reason behind it is not because of the fact that those murdered are members of the other community that needs to be kept seeing as the enemy. I do not think that this is (at least) the GC approach, as such, since I do not think this is the view and sentiments that are tried to be maintained among the GC community versus the TC community. The main reason is the fear of the propaganda exploitation that such a move may entail, from the part of the (each) other side.

This is the reason for example why the Turkish side did not proceed to the exhumation of bodies of missing people for so many years. i.e. the fear that should it is proved that GCs were massed murdered by the Turkish Army, this will be used against them by the GC side that will now have evidence from the mouth's house that they Turkish Army or TC paramilitaries indeed committed crimes, and this will also somehow overshadow their own propaganda which is based on the fact that what happened in Cyprus was due to what the GCs did against the TCs, as it is portrayed for example through the “museum of Barbarity” or the mass graves of Maratha /Sardalli in the north. This is why for example the GC side reacted against Angastiniotis documentary, and this is why those mostly using Angastiniotis documentary are no one else other than the propaganda circles of the Turkish /TC side (ATCA, etc.) In other words, it is the fear of offering propaganda ammunition to the other side to hit back that makes the fait of missing people un-investigated, the non excavations of areas indicated for mass graves, the proper invastication punishment of murderers "unfeasible," and the truth to be exposed through documentaries or other evidence, especially if they come from people of one's own side, unwanted.

Nevertheless, if the names of those people are known and were given to the RoC authorities, and they in their turn refuse to investigate them properly and on time, there is always the local courts road against the government, as well as the ECHR road, for these people, and I believe they should not back down on this no matter what.
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Postby Biker » Mon Jul 31, 2006 10:09 pm

Piratis wrote:Biker, what gives you the right to call me names? Maybe you think that we are still your slaves that you can abuse? Sure Biker, anybody that revolts against the colonialist pigs of your kind is a "terrorist" and anybody that talks in favor of the liberation of Cyprus from the colonialists and foreign powers is a "bigoted fool". I will not drop to your level to reply in kind. I will just ask you to respect the rules of the forum the next time you post again in here.


Piratis, I said you were a "bigoted and blind fool", in light of your comments on this forum I can assure you that wasn't name calling, just what I thought was an accurate description. :wink:

However, when faced with comments such as "colonialist pigs of your kind" followed by " I will not drop to your level", I realise that by calling you a fool I was greatly overestimating you, you are in fact an sad bigoted little specimen of of pond life, somehow you have raised yourself to the level at which you can suffer dementia, how a life form so basic can suffer such complexities is amazing! :shock:

Perhaps you could do the world a favour and take a nice long bath in formaldehyde so that at some time in the future you can be studied. :roll:
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Postby Svetlana » Tue Aug 01, 2006 9:30 am

Gentlemen

Please restrict your postings to the subject being discussed.

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Postby Pyrpolizer » Tue Aug 01, 2006 12:42 pm

Biker wrote: Perhaps you could do the world a favour and take a nice long bath in formaldehyde so that at some time in the future you can be studied.


:shock:

I wonder who is going to end up in formaldehyde after such a sweage… :wink:
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Postby Kutluhan » Fri Aug 04, 2006 5:20 am

Mr. Piratis,

I laughed when I read your words, saying, "Actually we are forgiving people (!) and we are not even asking for the punishment of Turks.."

You can only forgive us not letting your "forgiving people" to kill all Turks in the island.

What an unbelieveable thought... Even if this is written in propaganda sake, it went to far really...

Have a nice day,

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Postby Piratis » Fri Aug 04, 2006 5:31 am

You can only forgive us not letting your "forgiving people" to kill all Turks in the island.


"Kill all Turks on the island"?? But my dear friend, the ones who have been killing people in Cyprus are the Turks, who from the day they set their foot on our island in 1570 until 1974 they have butchered 10s of thousands of Greek Cypriots. Today they continue to insist on the the ethnic cleansing and the human rights violations of 100s of thousands of Greek Cypriots.

Yes a tiny (compared to the GC losses) of TCs had died also. Does this mean that the Turks are now allowed to commit even more crimes against us? Do you have a licence to kill maybe?
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Postby Bananiot » Fri Aug 04, 2006 8:03 am

Piratis, if one takes the number 100 from your vocabulary, you would be lost at sea, it seems. I am sorry that I pick on you, but believe me; you are doing your country a huge disservice. You put a huge distance between yourself and the people you say you want to find a solution with, showing no signs of a will for compromise. This is a perfect prescription for partition and if it were just you it wouldn’t have mattered one bit, but unfortunately, this is our official government policy and this, my friend, is destroying Cyprus.
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Postby miltiades » Fri Aug 04, 2006 8:23 am

Are there any figures available as to the number of T/Cs killed by G/Cs or visa verse 6 years before the 1974 invasion. Not guesses but recorded figures , can some one help ?
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Postby Bananiot » Fri Aug 04, 2006 8:32 am

Miltiades, why are these figures important? The important thing which we must recognise is the impasse that existed which potentially could explode into turmoil. This is what no solution means. And exploded it did in 1974. The same story is now repeated in Lebanon. A problem that is not tackled and solved presents a potential disaster to be. There has been relative peace and quite in Cyprus over the last 32 years, but again, this
is very misleading. It takes only one spark to throw everything into disaray. So, those that seem to be happy with the apparent stability of nowadays, should start making fresh thoughts.
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Postby miltiades » Fri Aug 04, 2006 9:06 am

Bananiot , these figures are important to dispel claims by many members on this forum that somehow genocide was taking place in Cyprus a number of years prior to the invasion . I fully understand the potential minefield that existed then and perhaps exists now. One of the reasons I stood against the AP , was the inclusion of potential minefields that were created in order to arrive at a Plan , and such minefields would in time become active.
I also like to believe that our two communities can live in peace as they did for hundreds of years , contrary to what Viewpoint and others would like us believe. I believe firmly that the most potent ingredients for an explosive situation to arise have been mostly isolated , Enosis is no longer active and the demographics of our island have drastically changed , the T/Cs do not wish isolation from the rest of the world and do aspire to European "membership" .Hardly a village or a city in Cyprus exists where the inhabitants are exclusively G/Cs.
The continual rise of the number of foreigners settling in Cyprus will in the near future change the demographic data even more. I believe the British population is approaching 80 thousand ??
The government of the RoC is in many ways answerable to the European parliament and can not indulge in practices considered by the EU inappropriate.

You are correct on the Lebanon situation and the on going conflict , in many of my posts I stated that for as long as the Jews and Arabs cultivate hatred for each other , with both sides claiming God on their side , peace will never come. There are issues that will surface from time to time and conflict will start again and again . The core of the problem has to be tackled first.
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