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[Kikapu]

[Perme??I thought It was a peace operation. :

You shot dead two "peace officers" from a tree like birds.? Not only you committed treason against Cyprus by being part of the "coup", but crimes against peace officers. You really ought to be in jail. I can't believe you're allowed to be amongst peace loving Greek Cypriots.!

[Kikapu]

[we have enough arms, cannons, bombs, missiles and shells to completely burn and level and wipe out all the cities and villages of the north, from one end to the other. !

Thanks for the heads-up, because I was thinking to come for a visit one of these years after 42 years of being away, but if I don't hurry up, there won't be very much to come back to, the way you guys are talking. What do you think, will the RoC be still standing to at least get a beer somewhere, or should I just book to go somewhere else.?

[miltiades]

Kifeas remarks on the capability of one side to destroy the other is inflammatory and nauseating , the destruction of one part or other of our Cyprus is a calamity that must never be allowed to occur.We almost reached a solution , we will try again and , Viewpoint will realize that such a solution is possible.
Cyprus will be partitioned permanently if the USA were to recognise the "trnc" This is a fact.
Kifeas remarks are out of order as far as I can see.

[Kifeas]

Kifeas remarks on the capability of one side to destroy the other is inflammatory and nauseating , the destruction of one part or other of our Cyprus is a calamity that must never be allowed to occur.We almost reached a solution , we will try again and , Viewpoint will realize that such a solution is possible.
Cyprus will be partitioned permanently if the USA were to recognise the "trnc" This is a fact.
Kifeas remarks are out of order as far as I can see.

Miltiades, if you may just read my post more carefully, you will realize that it is your comment that is out of place. The USA cannot unilaterally recognize the "TRNC" because the whole of Cyprus is part of the EU (read the treaty of accession of Cyprus to the EU,) and such a move by the US will be seen, condemned and dismissed by the EU itself as an intervention into an EU affair, or an issue pertaining to the EU aqui. The EU itself cannot change the terms of the treaty of accession with Cyprus, because it requires the RoC consent as a signatory. Consequently, neither any one individual EU member state may unilaterally recognize the "TRNC," because this will be seen as a violation of the treaty of accession in which every one of the EU member states is co-signatory. The idea or the theory that the north maybe recognized as a separate or partitioned state first, and then negotiate and accede the EU separately, is simply out of feasibility and discussion. There is no possible legal and /or political window for such an option. It all boils down to the RoC giving its consent. Who may recognize the “TRNC” is only some 3rd world countries that do not have or do not care about having any relations with the EU, and certainly the US is not one of these countries.

There is no way out of this loop, unless through re-unification, and this is why I called upon Viewpoint to stop wasting her time and energy promoting partition, or sabotaging re-unification all the time.

[Viewpoint]

Kifeas remarks on the capability of one side to destroy the other is inflammatory and nauseating , the destruction of one part or other of our Cyprus is a calamity that must never be allowed to occur.We almost reached a solution , we will try again and , Viewpoint will realize that such a solution is possible.
Cyprus will be partitioned permanently if the USA were to recognise the "trnc" This is a fact.
Kifeas remarks are out of order as far as I can see.

Miltiades, if you may just read my post more carefully, you will realize that it is your comment that is out of place. The USA cannot unilaterally recognize the "TRNC" because the whole of Cyprus is part of the EU (read the treaty of accession of Cyprus to the EU,) and such a move by the US will be seen, condemned and dismissed by the EU itself as an intervention into an EU affair, or an issue pertaining to the EU aqui. The EU itself cannot change the terms of the treaty of accession with Cyprus, because it requires the RoC consent as a signatory. Consequently, neither any one individual EU member state may unilaterally recognize the "TRNC," because this will be seen as a violation of the treaty of accession in which every one of the EU member states is co-signatory. The idea or the theory that the north maybe recognized as a separate or partitioned state first, and then negotiate and accede the EU separately, is simply out of feasibility and discussion. There is no possible legal and /or political window for such an option. It all boils down to the RoC giving its consent. Who may recognize the “TRNC” is only some 3rd world countries that do not have or do not care about having any relations with the EU, and certainly the US is not one of these countries.

There is no way out of this loop, unless through re-unification, and this is why I called upon Viewpoint to stop wasting her time and energy promoting partition, or sabotaging re-unification all the time.

This is how you wish to see it, do you really believe a super power would care about what the EU thinks, the EU would probably welcome and be happy to get rid of the problem as the aqui does not applied to the north. You only have to look how the USA manipulates the middle east it would easily bring about a scenario where the TRNC would gradually be recognized sometime in the future. Never say never it just might creep up kick you in the butt when you least expect it.

[Viewpoint]

Kifeas

Viewpoint,
Stop wasting your time and your energy for something that is not feasible, and try for something else. Change the record in other words, and play something meaningful and useful. Partition cannot happen! It is not possible. There are only two ways partition can take place, a non-agreed one, i.e. de jure recognition of the occupied areas as they are, or an agreed partition between the two sides.

Hey Kifeas wake up dear neighbour cause thats what you are, partition in the physical and mental sense happened 32 years ago only problem is you are having problems getting your head around it.
It maybe non-agreed but let me tell you its very real and stares you directly in the face every day of your life.
This is the situation we both find ourselves in, it may have not been of your or my making but it happened and we have been living a peaceful existence ever since.

None of them is possible and feasible! Non-agreed partition is not politically or legally feasible, without our consent. An agreed partition is not possible either, because our side will not accept anything more than 19%-20% of the north to be partitioned, and your side will not accept anything less than 28%-29%. Therefore, two options are left.

But with land adjustment to suit both sides you yourself agree its possible.

The first one is a destructive war that will cause one of the two of us or both of us to completely vanish and wiped out, or a re-unifying solution. I suggest we, both sides, work in favor of the latest (re-unification,) and against the first (war.) However, I am sad to notice that you personally prefer to work against the latest and you try to sabotage it. This means that you are intentionally or unintentionally inviting the only other option that is left of the two, which is that of a destructive war. Am I right? Now, if I am right, and this is what you are trying to achieve, I must tell you that in the end this is what you will get. I must tell you that in comparison to Turkey we are a small country and in such a case of a protracted war, most definitely we will be the losing side since Cyprus will be destroyed. However, we have the capabilities to drag and sink you down with us to our destruction, because by the time we will be destroyed by Turkey we have enough arms, cannons, bombs, missiles and shells to completely burn and level and wipe out all the cities and villages of the north, from one end to the other. Is this what you prefer? I certainly do not! Let us know!

I am a person totally against war yet your seem to realish and even promote it as an alternative which I do not. But never forget that when you instgate war you should expect the other side to fight back as well. Your attempting to wipe us out is nothing new, do your worst Kifeas as you seem feel that we deserve it, then Turkey can take the whole island and populate it with mainland Turks.

You should realize that all I am saying is that both have tried for 46 years to form a united Cyprus but it didnt work , you have no magic wand and you cannot force both sides to remarry they divorced 32 years ago. We have gotten on with our lives and live in 2 different states one recognized one not. I wish that you prove me wrong feel free to take the steps that will unite this island all I say you will not suceed time will prove me right. I have had enough of banging my head against a brick wall we want different things due to lack of understanding and trust, so why not accept that agreed partition is the only solution we could agree to bring the Cyprus issue to an end. You have tried the alternative and what have you got to show for it?

[miltiades]

Kifeas I understand all this , but there is more than one way to skin a cat. America or Britain could recognise the "TRNC" AND EUROPE WILL DO ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. The rest of the world will follow regardless.
We must negotiate , we must make sacrifices for the sake of future generations. Sacrifices and compromises must be from both sides , talking about destroying one or the other side is not constructive .

[Pyrpolizer]

You shot dead two "peace officers" from a tree like birds.? Not only you committed treason against Cyprus by being part of the "coup", but crimes against peace officers. You really ought to be in jail. I can't believe you're allowed to be amongst peace loving Greek Cypriots.!

Hey I therefore contributed to "peace" here, didn’t I? That’s what Viewpoint said. Now will you contribute to my pension for my braveness? I only get a million pesos a month man. Not enough to even hire a Las Vegas dancer for tonight.

[stuballstu]

Kifeas wrote

Miltiades, if you may just read my post more carefully, you will realize that it is your comment that is out of place. The USA cannot unilaterally recognize the "TRNC" because the whole of Cyprus is part of the EU (read the treaty of accession of Cyprus to the EU,) and such a move by the US will be seen, condemned and dismissed by the EU itself as an intervention into an EU affair, or an issue pertaining to the EU aqui. The EU itself cannot change the terms of the treaty of accession with Cyprus, because it requires the RoC consent as a signatory. Consequently, neither any one individual EU member state may unilaterally recognize the "TRNC," because this will be seen as a violation of the treaty of accession in which every one of the EU member states is co-signatory. The idea or the theory that the north maybe recognized as a separate or partitioned state first, and then negotiate and accede the EU separately, is simply out of feasibility and discussion. There is no possible legal and /or political window for such an option. It all boils down to the RoC giving its consent. Who may recognize the “TRNC” is only some 3rd world countries that do not have or do not care about having any relations with the EU, and certainly the US is not one of these countries.

There is no way out of this loop, unless through re-unification, and this is why I called upon Viewpoint to stop wasting her time and energy promoting partition, or sabotaging re-unification all the time.

Kifeas

With respect to you you are correct in what you say regards the Treaty of Accession, however as you have also pointed out EU acqui is currently suspended in the north. It is suspended pending a settlement of the island, I will try and find the exact wording of the document. If the settlement is division then no one knows how that would affect the north as this area's status is suspended. The USA does already "poke its nose" in EU affairs already and you can bet your boots have been involved in Turkeys EU accession talks, this has been widely reported, uncontested in the worlds press.

One of the biggest hurdles that the EU would face is what if the Cyprus issue has not been sorted in the next 30 + years. At what point does the EU stop any aid or not give political recognition? If the Cyprus problem goes on much longer, very difficult to put a time scale on, how can any organisation EU, UN force to sets of people to live together peacefully- they cant. You only have to look at the former Yugoslavia to see what happened there - I am not saying what happened there will happen in Cyprus (it already did prior to 74).

If America recognised the TRNC as a legal nation it would need to go against the UN resolutions already passed, not insormountable but very difficult and what benefits to America does the TRNC have, they have no oil, but only an ally in Turkey.

It could be very much the tale wagging the dog.

If the current negotiations between TC's and GC's fail then the only answer left is partition. The longer that there is a "green line" is worse for all Cypriots. I know a few TC's who are older than me and remember the events pre 74. They stayed in mixed villages and could speak Greek, Turkish and English. The same with some GC's who could speak Turkish and English as well as Greek. Because they is no mixing the next generation grow up loosing their ability to mix with fellow Cypriots, the next generation is the same unfortunately.

[Pyrpolizer]

I think we will make it your Avatar

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Sorry for interrupting your sleep mam.