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Postby Kifeas » Tue Jul 25, 2006 2:02 pm

I would like to ask to all the GCs to stop responding to “viewpoint” and any other cynical and audacious person that posts in the forum, so that eventually they either change their attitude or stop posting and move away. Viewpoint claims that nobody else counts other than the 120 - 130,000 TCs in the occupied north. The by now 250,000 GCs that have been ethnically cleansed from their ancestral homeland and had all their properties and their 3,000 year old cultural heritage stolen and usurped by Turkey and the TC leadership, do not count at all, according to viewpoint. They have "lost "the war and thus in this way they have also "lost"(according to viewpoint) all their rights in their own ancestral homeland territory (the occupied north part of Cyprus,) and only the 18% of the population that the TCs amount -plus all the illegal settlers transfered from Turkey, do count and do have a say visa vie the 36% of the occupied territory of Cyprus.

Please tell me what kind of discussion anyone can have with such a cynical and audacious individual that has no respect for legality, international law, human rights and cultural and historical rights of other people at all, as it is evident from the posts of this person in the forums? If all or the majority of TCs shared the views of the above lawless and outlaw vagabond, the only option we GCs would be left with is to prepare for a war in the future.

Please stop discussing anything with this person and anyone else that expresses the same or similar views.
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Postby dixi » Tue Jul 25, 2006 2:14 pm

I did not write Greek Administration, the writer who wrote the article did. I refered to the Greek Administration because the article did. Do not read anything into the reference. I did not intend disrespect or to offend anyone. You all are attacking me, not the argument. I found the article that's all. IF it is true, then it is sad. By that I mean that why punish evacuees simply because they went to the north before going into the south. I am not Greek or Turkish or Cypriot but to Piratis, I am commiting crimes and keeping 200,00 from their homes. Hey I wasn't even born when the Turks come on the island in 1974 okay.

I am in this forum because I am interested in Cyprus and ALL of its people. I do not pretend to know as much about the Cyprus problem as Cypriots. I hope to learn but instead I am being stoned!
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Postby Kifeas » Tue Jul 25, 2006 2:28 pm

dixi wrote:I did not write Greek Administration, the writer who wrote the article did. I refered to the Greek Administration because the article did. Do not read anything into the reference. I did not intend disrespect or to offend anyone. You all are attacking me, not the argument. I found the article that's all. IF it is true, then it is sad. By that I mean that why punish evacuees simply because they went to the north before going into the south. I am not Greek or Turkish or Cypriot but to Piratis, I am commiting crimes and keeping 200,00 from their homes. Hey I wasn't even born when the Turks come on the island in 1974 okay.

I am in this forum because I am interested in Cyprus and ALL of its people. I do not pretend to know as much about the Cyprus problem as Cypriots. I hope to learn but instead I am being stoned!


Dixi, the article was from the Turkish media (Zaman.) The Turkish media are not known for their objectivity, accurancy and balanced approach. Especially the English language ones (on the internet) reflect the views and carry pro-Turkish establishment and pro-government internal and foreign affairs propaganda. The RoC never directed its word or any threats against the evacuees themselves. It only warned the Swedish government (and maybe the British one) not to evacuate their citizens through the occupied, officially and legally closed (by national and international law) Famagusta port.

You have to understand that the Famagusta port is de jure (according to UN and international law) under the sovereignty of the RoC, as well as the entire occupied areas, and only the RoC can give its authorisation for it to legally open.
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Postby MR-from-NG » Tue Jul 25, 2006 3:17 pm

Typical of you lot isn't it? Just because Viewpoint does not sing from the same hymn sheet as you he is branded as cynical and audacious. IMHO he is a decent chap ready for a good debate and tells it as it is.

He can carry on debating with you guys all day long, I would go along with what he says and would happily accept him as a good representative for the rest of us TC's on the forum.
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Postby RichardB » Tue Jul 25, 2006 4:34 pm

mrfromng wrote:Typical of you lot isn't it? Just because Viewpoint does not sing from the same hymn sheet as you he is branded as cynical and audacious. IMHO he is a decent chap ready for a good debate and tells it as it is.

He can carry on debating with you guys all day long, I would go along with what he says and would happily accept him as a good representative for the rest of us TC's on the forum.


Hey mrfromng Who are 'you lot'

From what I can see only 1 person has said to stop replying.
I too think that viewpoint puts up a good debate.....I dont always agree with his arguments (hardly ever in fact)
But thats not a reason to stop replying to someone
Keep on posting viewpoint
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Postby Bananiot » Tue Jul 25, 2006 4:50 pm

I too believe it is absurd to call upon people at large to stop responding to anyone. Makes no sense to me.
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Postby Kikapu » Tue Jul 25, 2006 5:06 pm

Kifeas wrote:I would like to ask to all the GCs to stop responding to “viewpoint” and any other cynical and audacious person that posts in the forum, so that eventually they either change their attitude or stop posting and move away. Viewpoint claims that nobody else counts other than the 120 - 130,000 TCs in the occupied north.

Please stop discussing anything with this person and anyone else that expresses the same or similar views.


Kifeas,

As far as the TC's are concerned, they are the only one's that count in the "northern Cyprus" right now, until a settlement is found. I'm sure "viewpoint" was not saying, it's only the TC's that count in all of Cyprus. Besides, you have many more disagreement with "bananiot" all the time, but I'm sure even you can not resist debating him. You have a way of bringing your point of view in your posts, to challenge all of us, so challenge anything that you do not agree with "viewpoint". If most members left the forum on an account that they may agree with "viewpoint", it will start getting boring just having only you and "bananiot" go at each other.
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Postby RichardB » Tue Jul 25, 2006 5:42 pm

Spot on kikapu
If forum members were to stop debating those who they disagreed with we would not have a forum.
We would just be left with a classified ads site and a question and answer forum
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Postby Pyrpolizer » Tue Jul 25, 2006 6:07 pm

Viewpoint wrote: They are just pointing out the divide, do you deny its existence or still do not accept the reality we live every day. Plus has Turkey recognizes us of course they are going to refer to the situation as they see it. We TCs are the people that count not the French or Germans they do not live here on the island and we view the "RoC" has being a GC state for the last 43 years, it doent belong to us and we do not feel part of it, this is something you have to address and not dismiss as unimportant.


So the RoC means nothing to you whereas the properties and land that you stole from us is your heart loving country. Guess what? It is our heart loving country too. And it belongs to us . :evil:
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Postby MR-from-NG » Tue Jul 25, 2006 6:23 pm

Pyrpolizer,

The ROC belongs to you, you claim the north of the island also belongs to you.

Do you ever give a thought to the TC's who are now living in the north and have no desire to change things in the foreseeable future? A vast majority of TC's are of the opinion "if its not broken don't fix it".
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