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[Bananiot]

I think the four AKEL MP's are right not to give their provident fund money to AKEL. This is absurd and certainly I do not know of any other instance of this happening anywhere in the world. Dr Tyrimos, for example, who was an PM for two periods probably lost a lot of income from his profession as a direct result of being an MP. The provident money is his money by right, he did the work and I do not see why he or anyone else should hand his provident fund to anyone else. It really beats me.

Regarding the list of human rights violations Pyrpolyser demands from people, I would say, he is entitled to ask or indeed struggle for zero human rights violations. Whether this is feasible is another story. Of course it all depends on the puzzle he is trying to put together. If his horizon is limited to the boundaries of Cyprus he will be very disappointed but if, he thinks like a citizen of the world, or indeed Europe, then he has a sound chance that very few and limited violations will haunt him through his lifetime.

[Pyrpolizer]

Why don't you write down which human rights "violations" that you cannot live with, to have one Cyprus. Everyone cannot have everything they want with all that has happened in Cyprus in the last 42 years. So how much are you willing to make a contribution to have a lasting peace.

I already answered that I am not willing to give up My_Human_Rights. It is you who labeled me as a person who does not want a solution because of that. So it is you who has to specify which of my human rights I have to give up. I already said I am not willing to give up ANY of them.

So will you ever reply or not?

[MR-from-NG]

How are we going to go forward with this problem if you don't want to give up any of your rights.

The TC's are no different to you. So what is the future of our country if we are not prepared to make compromises?

Don't forget the TC's are at an advantage in that they have possession. You know the saying "possession is nine tenths of the law"? Furthermore the TC's have time on their side. To the TC's time is at a standstill, nothings changed in the last 3 decades. Isolated from the rest of the world, left to their own devices with nothing but the support of big brother Turkey. They are used to this.

The rest of the world are just onlookers and indifferent on the issue. They are not in any rush to solve the problem, I don't see them rushing to your aid or ours for that matter.

My friend, you honestly are shooting yourselves in the foot by demanding a settlement on your terms and your terms alone. Its not going to happen. And the sad thing is that you and the rest of GC's believe it will.

One word of advise, time is not on your side, it is very much against you. The more you delay the negotiations and a settlement the less you will all get back in the way of land or compensation.

DONT SAY I DIDNT TELL YOU SO.

[growuptcs]

mrfromng what kind of rights are you talking about GCs giving up? You sound like mafia that wants to go legal with the stock market by stating possession is 9/10ths the law. The law thats stating that, has been suspect all along and sounds desperate to even go there, trying to sound convincing. There was no need to bring up the 9/10ths law with this problem after Turkey cleansed 200,000 people away, not too long ago, illegally.

[MR-from-NG]

GrowupGC,

This subject has been discussed a thousands times before. Whats the point of saying the same things over and over again. If you really love Cyprus, if you want peace and harmony on the island you know better than me what you have to give up, what concessions and compromises you all have to make.

The reality is we are all victims of circumstances. But it is an undeniable fact that we are where we are as a direct result of your actions. This simply leaves you at a disadvantage and in the difficult position of making sacrifices to rectify your terrible mistakes, injustices and pain you inflicted on your compatriots the TC's.

I will reiterate, the longer this drags on the worse it will be for you all.

Don't let your statesmen fool you by giving you false hope. They have their own hidden agendas. Take your blinkers off and see the bigger picture.

[Piratis]

But it is an undeniable fact that we are where we are as a direct result of your actions. This simply leaves you at a disadvantage and in the difficult position of making sacrifices to rectify your terrible mistakes, injustices and pain you inflicted on your compatriots the TC's.

Sure sure. Like the injustices that the Armenians caused to you and you had to perform genocide on them. And probably the Kurds also have done the same and thats why they deserve the butchering and the oppression by the so "civilized" Turks.

What is an undeniable fact is that Turks started the conflict in Cyprus and have caused 100 times more suffering to GCs than the other way around:

About 60,000 troops, including cavalry and artillery, under the command of Lala Mustafa Pasha landed unopposed near Limassol on July 2, 1570, and laid siege to Nicosia. In an orgy of victory on the day that the city fell--September 9, 1570--20,000 Nicosians were put to death, and every church, public building, and palace was looted.

And that was just the beginning! The Turks had continued to oppress us, kill us, ethnically cleanse us ever since with only a short interruption. This continues until TODAY that the Turks insist on the ethnic cleansing of 200.000 people, violations of our human rights and international law. And then you come to present yourselves us the victims?? Please!! The casualties of TCs during their whole history can not even match the casualties that GCs had within days either in what is described above, or in 1974 (6000 dead within days) or in several other occasions.

How are we going to go forward with this problem if you don't want to give up any of your rights.

The TC's are no different to you. So what is the future of our country if we are not prepared to make compromises?

We have never asked the TCs to make a single compromise from any of their rights. Just to give back what they illegal keep.

Don't forget the TC's are at an advantage in that they have possession. You know the saying "possession is nine tenths of the law"?

Really? What I know is that TCs with their insistence on illegality are 3 times poorer than us. Also the 60 million people in the 3rd world country called Turkey, are convicted to remain poor citizens of a 3rd world country for much longer due to the insistence of their leadership on crimes and illegalities. The way I see it you are losing as much as we do.

As far as time goes, what can change is the balance of power. And when that happens I hope you know what will happen the next millisecond.

[Pyrpolizer]

Mrfromng,

I talked of human rights, not just any rights. You have to be specific. No solution can ever stand if it violated basic human rights because it will be challenged at ECHR and hence trashed.

[Pyrpolizer]

then he has a sound chance that very few and limited violations will haunt him through his lifetime.

I came here to discuss the Cyprus problem with TCs not with GC defeatists like you. You are not even man enough to tell what those limited violations are going to be. All you do is prepare the ground for your own people capitulation.

[Pyrpolizer]

Mrfromng,

There comes a time buildings grow old, land produces nothing... For example Varoshia today worths nothing. It's going to need a lot of investment to worth whatever it worths.
The Tcs today are at the point of actually selling the land to foreigners. Someday this will be over. Then what?

I would say time works against both the Tcs and the Gcs.

[MR-from-NG]

Prypolizer,

What I'm asking is this. If by you giving up your claim for a couple of acres of land you may have in the north we could ensure peace in Cyprus would you? would the Greeks collectively make this noble gesture for the sake of peace on an island you claim to love?

Prypolizer,

You say Varosha will be offered to foreign investors and one day all this will stop and TC's will have nothing to offer, nothing to sell. How can you all just sit back and let this happen? In the long term isn't all this going to make a difficult task of a settlement even more difficult? Does this not mean you will end up with less to claim?