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[Pyrpolizer]

Build bridges, and bullshit.

You wanted partition, you want partition, and you will continue wanting partion. This is not a secret. You will never accept a solution that is not a real or disguised partition.
The kind of partition that means grabbing almost half our country ethnically cleanse us and steal our properties.

No, I am not a Bananiot who is going to asslick you. I am going to work as hard as possible to turn your partition dreams into a nightmare, both for you and your motherland. I am going to work to have you and your motherland pay for each and every day the occupation, your puppet regime, and your settlers , deprive me my own rights in my own country.
I am even going to work as hard as I can to have your motherland brake up in 1000 pieces.

A dream you think?
Start getting prepared for your nightmare. The Engine starts late this year with the expulsion of your motherland from the EU. You know what your motherland will do next don’t you?

NB. 1)I actually pity the moderate TCs for beleiving their leadership and Turkey wants anything other than the kind of partition I talked before. But what can I do?
2) If I could ever sense even 2/3rds of Tcs were moderate people with whom we could work out a fair solution even on a BBF model, then I would simply shut my mouth and be their best ally and supporter. Not even 1 out of 20 TCs is like that.

[Kikapu]

Kifeas and others,

I know we have beaten the Cyprus issue to death by now, but would like to pose this question anyway. If there were no 40,000 Turkish troops in the northern Cyprus, but instead there were UN peace keepers to keep the two sides apart. Now, the majority (GC's) would like to make a peace offer to the minority (TC's) that they (TC's) will find it very hard to refuse. What would be that offer, that the majority will be willing to make, to resolve the past 43 years. Bear in mind, what ever is offered and accepted, at the end of the day, it will be for Cyprus and Cypriots.

Kikapu, you know my opinion on most aspects of the Cyprus issue. You know very well what I support and that I am not an extremist but instead one that wants to reach a compromised, fair and decent solution on the Cyprus issue, one that will take into consideration the well intended, legitimate and genuine interests, desires and concerns of both communities. I think there is no point going further into this discussion. If you want a deeper discussion on any of all the issues and aspects pertaining to a solution, I will be glad to discuss them with you. I believe you want the same like I do. However, it is about time in this forum that you the moderate TCs start handpicking those little thieves, opportunists, fanatics and provocateurs from your community such as Mrfromng and viewpoint, and start telling them off because they deliberately try to ruin any discussion, simply because they do not care for a solution but only how to consolidate the illegal and illegitimate fait accomplices that Turkey provided for them in Cyprus. They come here and in the most cynical way try to defend and promote the “TRNC” recognition; simply because in this way they will enjoy the spoils of the war they invited Turkey to declare on us. It is about time you the peace loving TCs start isolating those opportunists from your community, if there is a hope to peacefully solve the Cyprus problem one day, and not just seat back and let them provoke with their obscenities.

Kifeas,

Hand picking individuals against the masses is not the answer. I believe picking the masses against individuals is the answer. The GC's need to make the offer that the masses cannot refuse, and the individuals we'll be taken care of. Offer them the, full security, equal voice in running the country, partnership in everyway, prosperity to all and so on. How can anyone refuse such offers, as long as it can be trusted.

I also share your concerns, that Turkey wants to hold on the northern Cyprus, but every country has it's limitations on how far they can push people against their will. Right now TC's believe Turkey is their best option, therefore will not insist on changing the current situation. But if a better and more prosperous offers were to be made, then things may become different. Time is the worrying factor however. Longer the present situation continues to be, the harder the "TRUST" is going to be trusted.

I thought I will post this one more time for those who may have missed it. Think Cyprus first people, before thinking of what you all want individually. Do you want one Cyprus or not, that is the main question, and how much are you all willing to give to it ( Cyprus ).

[Pyrpolizer]

I am not willing to give up my human rights, otherwise that would be hell not Cyprus.

[Piratis]

Do you want one Cyprus or not

One Cyprus means one country, one people. Do you know any country that its citizens are split based on their race? (apart from south Africa at the time of apartheid)

This is not only a fundamental principle of democracy, it is also a fundamental principle of having one country.

Therefore we reject such racist demands exactly because we want one Cyprus, as opposed to the dream that many (most?) TCs have for many decades.

[Kikapu]

I am not willing to give up my human rights, otherwise that would be hell not Cyprus.

Thanks for your response...I'll put you down as a "NO" on one Cyprus.

[Kikapu]

Do you want one Cyprus or not

One Cyprus means one country, one people. Do you know any country that its citizens are split based on their race? (apart from south Africa at the time of apartheid)

This is not only a fundamental principle of democracy, it is also a fundamental principle of having one country.

Therefore we reject such racist demands exactly because we want one Cyprus, as opposed to the dream that many (most?) TCs have for many decades.

I'll put you down as a "NO" also. Perhaps I was wrong, and that present situation is much better than one Cyprus.!

[miltiades]

Pyrpolizer , how many T/Cs do you know , and how did you arrive at the assumption that only one in twenty of T/Cs is moderate ? I suggest that the overwhelming majority are true Cypriots first , and that the vast majority want nothing more than for our island to unite and for peace and stability to become a permanent reality. Those that consider Cyprus as an extension of Turkey are diminishing in numbers , and the reality i setting in that the Cypriot Turk is a minority within a minority , not an ideal situation to be in.The hopes of the Cypriot Turks were raise following the AP that recognition was round the corner. It wont happen. Isolation will continue , the crooks from the UK will continue arriving and the illegal sale of land will stop.Europe is more powerful than it appears.
Lets make sure that we let our Turkish Cypriot compatriots know that we are their country , Cyprus is their motherland , they are Cypriots , and we have one flag.

[Piratis]

I am not willing to give up my human rights, otherwise that would be hell not Cyprus.

Thanks for your response...I'll put you down as a "NO" on one Cyprus.

Well, Cyprus was united when we were under the Ottoman empire. I am guessing thats about the kind of "unity" you are looking for then? With a privileged Muslim minority and a second class christian majority?

It goes without saying that people should be equal without the discriminations that were enforced by the Ottomans during the middle ages, although I understand why it suited you better that way and why you insist for it.

[Kikapu]

I am not willing to give up my human rights, otherwise that would be hell not Cyprus.

Thanks for your response...I'll put you down as a "NO" on one Cyprus.

Well, Cyprus was united when we were under the Ottoman empire. I am guessing thats about the kind of "unity" you are looking for then? With a privileged Muslim minority and a second class christian majority?

It goes without saying that people should be equal without the discriminations that were enforced by the Ottomans during the middle ages, although I understand why it suited you better that way and why you insist for it.

Please Piratis, you don't have to explain yourself, again. Is just that, what everyone wants, is not going to be possible, so lets all accept the present situation, and be done with it.

[Piratis]

Do you want one Cyprus or not

One Cyprus means one country, one people. Do you know any country that its citizens are split based on their race? (apart from south Africa at the time of apartheid)

This is not only a fundamental principle of democracy, it is also a fundamental principle of having one country.

Therefore we reject such racist demands exactly because we want one Cyprus, as opposed to the dream that many (most?) TCs have for many decades.

I'll put you down as a "NO" also. Perhaps I was wrong, and that present situation is much better than one Cyprus.!

Sure, the Ottoman kind of unity is obviously worst than what we have now. Because what we have now is an illegal occupation and it can last only for as long as Turkey can enforce it and not a day more. Don't expect from us to accept anything that would legalize the illegalities and the violations of our human and democratic rights.