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[Kikapu]

Viewpoint , allow me to disagree , have spent over an hour trying to see in his posts what you see , but I cant.
I will be in Cyprus early August my invitation to you still stands I will buy you a beer , calm down Kifeas will not attack mid August , its too bloody hot any way then .

Miltiades,

Why don't you go the the northern part and have a beer with "viewpoint" there. I'm sure "viewpoint" would not object doing that. I'll even pay for the beer, for both of you, from nuetral Switzerland. I doubt Kifeas or Piratis will join you. I don't even know whether you'll go either.

[Viewpoint]

Viewpoint , allow me to disagree , have spent over an hour trying to see in his posts what you see , but I cant.
I will be in Cyprus early August my invitation to you still stands I will buy you a beer , calm down Kifeas will not attack mid August , its too bloody hot any way then .

Why not ask him direct as you have been unable to trace his war crys in past posts. He does from time to time reveal his true intentions of attacking us at a moment of weakenss. As long as there are people like Kifeas and Piratis who just do more damage than good to building better relations I have to decline your offer because we to have to take a stance just like they have.

[Piratis]

I doubt Kifeas or Piratis will join you

I don't know about Kifeas, but I would not. Do you blame me for this instead of blaming the occupation and the people that support it?

I would never show my passport to move within my own country.

On top of that the occupied areas are a place were the laws of Cyprus can not be applied. The occupation army does whatever they feel like. (e.g. ethnically cleansing people, violating all international laws, arresting people that try to return to their own homes etc).

[Kikapu]

I doubt Kifeas or Piratis will join you

I don't know about Kifeas, but I would not. Do you blame me for this instead of blaming the occupation and the people that support it?

I would never show my passport to move within my own country.

On top of that the occupied areas are a place were the laws of Cyprus can not be applied. The occupation army does whatever they feel like. (e.g. ethnically cleansing people, violating all international laws, arresting people that try to return to their own homes etc).

Ok, you have made your point, so that's one less beer that I have to pay for.!!

[Piratis]

As long as there are people like Kifeas and Piratis who just do more damage than good to building better relations I have to decline your offer because we to have to take a stance just like they have.

And how do we do damage in the building of better relations viewpoint?

We are not asking for the violation of your human and democratic rights, like you do to us. We do not demand that your land belongs to us, like you do etc.

You are the ones who show no respect to us, and therefore you are the ones who are an obstacle in building better relations.

What kind of relations can we have if respect to basic human and democratic rights does not exist?
The relationship between the super privileged TCs and the second category GCs? Well, who told you we want to ever build such kind of relation with you???

[Viewpoint]

As long as there are people like Kifeas and Piratis who just do more damage than good to building better relations I have to decline your offer because we to have to take a stance just like they have.

And how do we do damage in the building of better relations viewpoint?

We are not asking for the violation of your human and democratic rights, like you do to us. We do not demand that your land belongs to us, like you do etc.

You are the ones who show no respect to us, and therefore you are the ones who are an obstacle in building better relations.

What kind of relations can we have if respect to basic human and democratic rights does not exist?
The relationship between the super privileged TCs and the second category GCs? Well, who told you we want to ever build such kind of relation with you???

You are obviously referring to the current situation we find ourselves in, which did not drop out of the sky. You had a great deal to do with it plus it was you who rejected the last effort to unite. (spare us the usual rhetoric)

You are damaging any chance of building bridges by being so pig headed and stubborn by not acknowledging that we are 2 equal partners and that any future solution will mean 2 equal states with safety valves to ensure neither side tries to dominate or hinder the other. You continue to ignore and disrespect our human rights in trying to keep us economically hostage so that we will want a solution. You have a GC state and enjoy all the rights and benefits associated with being recognized yet you see this as a right we should not have. As soon as you respect us and our rights we will respect yours, we have started to give you back your properties and compensation via the property committee. What do you intend to do?

[miltiades]

Viewpoint you are no doubt familiar as to where I stand on the Cyprus issue. We have disagreed before on the T/C views proclaiming that there was ethnic cleansing going on prior to the invasion in 1974.In fact I have looked on numerous sources of information and have taken as the criteria the year from June 1973 to June 1974.
None found.
For Kifeas and Piratis to insist on one man one vote is not a crime. They have never stated that the T/Cs should not have equal rights. I have a slightly different view since I do not see the T/Cs or the G/Cs as minorities or majorities .I see both as Cypriots , I believe in the creation of Political parties embracing both T/Cs and G/Cs , that is the only time when we can honestly say that Cyprus is united AP divided the island permanently , on one hand it was called a reunification plan and on the other Permanent partition , with two flags , two police ,
Turkish army retaining control and no guarantees whatsoever when the army would depart.
My freind Kikapu suggested I come over to Kyrenia and he will buy us both a drink. Well I would love to , if you would arrange with the relative authorities that Miltiades does not need to produce a passport.It would totaly be hypocritical of me to do so in view of the very strong feelings that I as a Cypriot firmly commited to one Cyprus.
Im actually planning a business trip to Turkey and I look forward to it.But of course I object to being "passport controlled " in my birth country.

[Piratis]

You are obviously referring to the current situation we find ourselves in, which did not drop out of the sky. You had a great deal to do with it plus it was you who rejected the last effort to unite. (spare us the usual rhetoric)

I know you didn't drop from the sky. You came from somewhere else without any provocation from us and since then you are butchering us, oppressing us and violating our human and democratic rights.
Still, we were more than willing to forget all that and accept that we should all be equal Cypriots without discriminations. Unfortunately you insist on demanding discrimination and separation of Cypriots based on their race.

You are damaging any chance of building bridges by being so pig headed and stubborn by not acknowledging that we are 2 equal partners and that any future solution will mean 2 equal states

And who told you that I want to build "bridges" and relationships that would give to you 4.5 times more voting power that I will get? Who told you that a relationship based on discrimination among Cypriots is acceptable from us? This is what you call "better relations"??? Are you kidding me?

The only kind of relationship I accept is the one of equal human beings, equal citizens of Cyprus and equal EU citizens. A relationship were there will be respect to human and democratic rights for all.

What do you intend to do?

I intent to push our government to cause as much damage to our enemies as possible (e.g. kick them out of their EU accession processes) and be ready for the day we will be able to liberate our country from the foreign invaders.

[Pyrpolizer]

Stay south Kifeas you and your kind are not wanted in the north,

And who you think you are to tell him where in his own country should stay. I say he should stay in Lapithos and you and your likes get the hell out of his house.

[andri_cy]

Viewpoint , allow me to disagree , have spent over an hour trying to see in his posts what you see , but I cant.
I will be in Cyprus early August my invitation to you still stands I will buy you a beer , calm down Kifeas will not attack mid August , its too bloody hot any way then .

Why not ask him direct as you have been unable to trace his war crys in past posts. He does from time to time reveal his true intentions of attacking us at a moment of weakenss. As long as there are people like Kifeas and Piratis who just do more damage than good to building better relations I have to decline your offer because we to have to take a stance just like they have.

This paranoia needs to stop....
Kifeas, I respect your ability to bring a case up so intelligently but the right we have to post anything goes for people we disagree with also.
Viewpoint Miltiades asked out for a beer between 2 cypriots. I believe you are a bit more paranoid than you need to be. Relax.