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[fener]

This is quite vague and i probably wont get much from this except a few clever comments - out of curiosity i just want people to give me a sentence on
A) south cyprus (and we will call it that for now, designating the current area where greek cypriots live in cyprus, which undoubtedly has current differences to the rest of soi-disant 'cyprus')
B) north cyprus
C) Greece
D) Turkey
giving general impressions on each WITHOUT referring to the cyprus question. And be honest guys, if you believe something say it, if you think its impossible to divorce the cyprus question from any conceivable thought on one of them then say so.

[Sotos]

WITHOUT referring to the cyprus question

Then why did you post this in the Cyprus Problem forum? "north" and "south" Cyprus exist because of the Turkish occupation so I don't know how these terms can be separated from the cyprus question. "north Cyprus" WITHOUT referring to the cyprus question is the north part of RoC and "south cyprus" the southern part of RoC.

[souroul]

a) part of a small island with a big/crying heart.
b) part of a small island that will never prosper under turkish influence
c) what every other country is doing right now, they've done a long, long time ago.
d) a few thousand years behind

note: c-d= big gap = hate
a-b= refer to d

[fener]

Sotos, my posting this question or referring to cyprus using the words north and south wasnt meant to be inflammatory and it certainly isnt - whatever your views you must admit that talking of 'the north part of RoC and the southern part of RoC' is as far from neutral as if i had said the ROC and the TRNC, which i deliberately didnt do. Now please, im not being subtle or trying to score points with the question, it was one of genuine interest. Where there are two sides i try to steer clear of taking either in the questioning

If you cant see why i posted it on this particular forum i doubt your mental acuity, THINK ABOUT IT. I suspect the wink suggests you were being sarcastic, in which case i apologise

[fener]

Souroul, i appreciate the reply and was wondering whether you could clear up what you meant by the 'big gap' between greece and turkey? is this in terms of understanding or are you referring to something else (in which case im sure i can provide some information and dialogue that might help you develop your views or even change some of them)? Thanx

[Pyrpolizer]

to give me a sentence on…. .

For Greece and Turkey there is no problem, the names can stay.

A single sentense without reference to the Cyprus problem and the current division is impossible. The terms north and south were invented by Denktash to underline a separate entity. Something like North and South Korea e. g.
For me these terms are totally weird, I was born before 1974 and all I knew and experienced was Cyprus. I mean it would be totally weird for me to call Paphos "western Cyprus"

Fener I understand you are a TC. Imagine someone starts calling Karpasia (karpaz? ) as Eastern Cyprus and Morfou North Western Cyprus. Wouldn’t that be weird to you?


I can only think of these terms that are not so divisive:
Cyprus Crying No1
Cyprus Crying No2 (for the occupied areas of RoC)

You like?

[fener]

No, not really. again, im just talking about what it roughly the northern part of a landmass called cyprus here - personally i believe in the trnc but i dont mean it at all here, just trying to get across the fact that, as it stands, right now, there ARE differences between what is roughly the north and roughly the south. note that i neither used capitals, which i did for Greece and Turkey, nor did i refer to either as separate political entities. i repeat, im not trying to get anyone to recognise what they dont want to recognise - ive seen gcs on this site talk of going north from time to time, this is the sense i meant, the least inflammatory. im neither saying that theyre part of the same political entity or separate because i dont believe it would be very fruitful to be that biased in a QUESTION

[fener]

As for your reply, i doubt that either side is crying right now to be honest with you.
Btw Pyrpolizer im a london TC, yes, nice to meet you.

[fener]

Let me illustrate my point otherwise - gcs seem to make the distinction between the sides by saying the 'occupied territories' or something like that, which is fine but you must also see that therefore there's nothing wrong with me making any neutral distinction based on a reality here, especially when i havent even brought any of my stronger views into play here.
Please, lets not try to start squabbles where theres no need - if there was no distinction this forum wouldnt have been created

[Kifeas]

This is quite vague and i probably wont get much from this except a few clever comments - out of curiosity i just want people to give me a sentence on
A) south cyprus (and we will call it that for now, designating the current area where greek cypriots live in cyprus, which undoubtedly has current differences to the rest of soi-disant 'cyprus')
B) north cyprus
C) Greece
D) Turkey
giving general impressions on each WITHOUT referring to the cyprus question. And be honest guys, if you believe something say it, if you think its impossible to divorce the cyprus question from any conceivable thought on one of them then say so.

a) The part of Cyprus, my country, in which I currently reside and in which I feel free to express my opinion, free to earn my living and to move and settle anywhere I want, but in which I came as a refugee 32 years ago and in which I have no property, childhood memories or roots with which to relate.


b.) North Cyprus, the place I and all my ancestors were born and lived. The place where my and my parent’s home and village are situated and out of which I was ethnically cleansed back in 1974. The place where all my properties and my childhood memories and schooling are situated or associated with. The place where 55% of Cyprus most beautiful coastlines and landscapes are situated. The place where the towns of the Trojan heroes Praxandros, Kipheas and Evagoras are situated (Lapithos, Kyrenia and salamis.) The place where the two most important Christian orthodox landmarks of Cyprus are situated (St. Barnavas and St. Andreas.) The place where 500 medieval and ancient orthodox Christian little and large churches are located and most of which were plundered and partially ruined. The place that I regard as part of my homeland, and in fact the place I regard as my real homeland. The place with which every period, era, aspect and event of the entire 3,000 year long history of the GCs is closely associated with. The place in which for more than 3,000 years the sound of the Greek Cypriot language has never stopped from being heard in its towns, villages, plains, hills and forests, except for only the last 32 years.

North Cyprus, the place which together with me, another 250,000 GCs (1/3 of the total of GCs) regard as their ancestral homeland. The place which all the rest of the GCs do or should regard as an integral part of their homeland. The place I detest to see its character been changed so dramatically with so many military camps around, with Turkish flags and other slogans painted on hills and mountains, with tens of hundreds of Ataturk status planted anywhere and everywhere, and with the streets, villages and towns flooded with tens of thousands of foreigners (mainland Turkish settlers) that have little or nothing to do with that part of Cyprus and its historical and cultural character. The place I was denied access for 30 years by illegal foreign troops. The place that I detest having to show a passport in order to visit. The place I detest I can only visit as a tourist. The place I detest the fact I can visit but I am not allowed to touch my own parental and childhood house and properties. The place where my grandparents are buried but whose tombs I cannot locate because the crosses in the cemeteries in which they were buried have been wiped out. North Cyprus, the place, the part of Cyprus that definitely needs to be liberated in one way or another and be returned back to its original and indigenous people, the Cypriots -both GCs and TCs, and all the foreign and strange elements that illegally and unnaturally exist there, such as people, troops, monuments, flags, etc, should be send back to where they came from and in which they belong.

North Cyprus, the part of Cyprus which anyone that denies the right and the fact that it constitutes an integral and inseparable part of the Greek Cypriot’s historical and ancestral homeland, can only be regarded and righfully treated as a lethal and fatal enemy of every single one of us.