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[Kifeas]

Kifeas,

I really enjoyed reading what you wrote earlier on "North Cyprus". If I may just sum the whole thing for you, I would say, it would be like taking a baby away from his /her mothers breast while feeding. You want to be part of your land, because the "feeding of your lands milk" isn't finished yet. I think most of us feel the same way.

Hello kikapu,

I do not know if the parallelism you made above is exactly the same or similar to what happened in Cyprus. I suppose when a child stops breast feeding prematurely, it is not consciously aware of precisely having this thing happened to it and if the right substitute is provided, the child may not even realize it. Besides, breast feeding is something that will anyway end one day, as the child will grow up and move into another stage of its development.

In what I talked about, we are all consciously aware of the deprivation that occurred and its magnitude and effects, both when it happened and now, many years after it happened. Furthermore, the continuation of the existence of a people in their ancestral and natural homeland is not a mere stage of their development that will have to come to an end one day as they "grow up," like the breast feeding of a child, but rather an on going natural process and a sacred and inalienable human right.

[souroul]

Souroul, i appreciate the reply and was wondering whether you could clear up what you meant by the 'big gap' between greece and turkey? is this in terms of understanding or are you referring to something else (in which case im sure i can provide some information and dialogue that might help you develop your views or even change some of them)? Thanx

culture

ok let me elaborate.

Greece: stepping stone of civilization/democracy
Turkey: stepping stone of being stuck up right around 1000BC, and still being governed by the military.

gap=hate. apart from all the wars that go way back. god damn alexander the great shouldnt have been such a douche and kept what he had

recent examples: Iraq/US, Israel/Hesbollah

souroul, can you please do us a favor and go elsewhere to do these kinds of foolish conversations (some coffee shop, pub, playground, etc,) as they are meaningless and totally useless for our subject.

The first thing a truly civilized person knows, is how to respect the culture and civilization of other people and does not try to brag or rub in the face of others his "own." Let others talk about whether your civilization and /or culture is any better than the other ones, and this is what counts and not what you claim yourself about it.

kifeas, instead of me writing a novel, i just summed it up in two sentenses. in the end, it all comes out to that, culture. i just highlighted the differences, which in my opinion make up for all the disputes.

[cypezokyli]

saying a country is at 1000BC is rediculous and racist , and shows absolutely no knowledge , despite the difference we have with turkey.

[souroul]

you guys keep jumping on me on how i put things down, but you are not disagreeing with me.

[cypezokyli]

ofcource i do.
i dont believe that turkey is stuck in 1000 BC.

second , you say sth about greece (to be exact only a part of ancient greece) which was the case over 2500 years ago and you compare it with turkey today.

moreover you are unable , to recognize that the turks have their own civilization (quite rich if i may inform you) , and lastly , you are unable to see the difference between the turkish people and the turkish ruling elite. yes do have a problem with the turkish policy on the cyppro , but that doesnot justify us to accuse or hate a whole population.

[reportfromcyprus]

South Cyprus - hot as hell
North Cyprus - hot as hell
Greece - hot as hell
Turkey - hot as hell

couldn't resist

[Pyrpolizer]

culture…

You know in Turkey there are hundreds of ancient Greek theaters, temples, ruins etc.
They all have a common name for them:
Ancient stones. Not Greek, not Roman. Ancient !!

In the occupied there are hundreds of Churches, monasteries etc. Some of them were turned into jamis, discos, restaurants the majority ended up heneries, stables, sheepcotes

These are undeniable facts that relate to culture

Now let’s go to our own culture: Instead of making something similar with the TC jamis (e.g turning them into kindergarden castles) we simply let them blow down. We even helped some come down easier.
Greece the mother of Democracy had a military junta until 1974 that needed the burning and selling out half of Cyprus to just fall. Yeah, Turkey is no better, they still have them on…
We killed innocent TCs with the help of our Greek militant brothers they killed innocent GCs with the help of their Turkish militant brothers.

These are undeniable facts that relate to culture as well.

Conclussion?