Iran forever, you have my backing. Certain people who live in the West are completely brainwashed with propoganda, and don't understand the realities of the world. Iran is not a perfect country, but neither is the USA, UK, or any other country for that matter (regardless of what Militiades would like you to believe).
Remember this, the GC members' views on this forum does not seem to generally reflect the views of GCs in general (probably because most people on this forum live in the west).
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by theresa » Mon Jul 24, 2006 4:18 pm
Ghandi was once asked by a reporter "what do you think of civilisation in the West"? To which he reportedly replied "I think it would be a good idea". makes you think doesnt it? Death for death, maiming for maiming, I think we in the CIVILISED West "beat" the rest of the UNCIVILISED world hands down!!! Well done to us - long may we preach that OUR way is the best way - and when preaching doesnt work - bomb 'em - after all we are doing them a huge favour arent we ????? Look at Iraq now that we have got rid of their leader ! I dont know why the rest of the middle east arent queing up for our HELP.
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by miltiades » Mon Jul 24, 2006 4:19 pm
Simon , one of the main reasons why our nation does not enjoy the support that it ought to , and why people like my self who live in the West and are constantly trying to keep the Cyprus issue on the forefront , find our selves being accused of fostering anti -western feelings. In the days of Makarios Cyprus was viewed by the USA as the Cuba of the Mediterranean , and often Makarios was called Castro.
There are Cypriots like my self who are campaigning for Cyprus's interests first and foremost -YPER PANTON OLON TA SIMFERONTA TIS PATRIS.
Forging an alliance as one suggested earlier with Iran , is not exactly conducive to protecting our interests , the alliances we should be formulating right now is with our European partners and the USA , but all the Hellenes seem to have one thing in common : americanico daxtilo , blame everything on America .
There are Cypriots like my self who are campaigning for Cyprus's interests first and foremost -YPER PANTON OLON TA SIMFERONTA TIS PATRIS.
Forging an alliance as one suggested earlier with Iran , is not exactly conducive to protecting our interests , the alliances we should be formulating right now is with our European partners and the USA , but all the Hellenes seem to have one thing in common : americanico daxtilo , blame everything on America .
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by Simon » Mon Jul 24, 2006 4:46 pm
Militiades, sometimes you sound foolish. You say that you would be happy as long as America remained the superpower; but when you say this, do you even realise that if it wasn't for the great USA, it is most likely that our country wouldn't be divided today. Do you even know that America (especially Kissinger) was working very hard behind the scenes to partition Cyprus back in '74, and they still are today through the Annan Plan (which was obvious to even a blind man that it was stealth partition).
I have not said that we should formulate an alliance with anyone, all I was suggesting that people in the west are very naive that they think they are the good guys and the others are the bad guys. Come on, are things ever that straightforward except in movies (perhaps you've watched too many American ones!)
P.S. Why do you think Makarios was called Castro? Maybe because he didn't dance to America's tune? When USA said jump, he didn't ask how high? I have read a lot about Makarios and I happen to think, as did many others, that he was an excellent politician in many respects. Come on Militiades, what do you want? Our President to just be USA's puppet in the same way Blair is? In that case, what is even the point of being independent? Might as well just have let the colonial Brits stay - mind you, I bet you would have probably liked that wouldn't you?
I have not said that we should formulate an alliance with anyone, all I was suggesting that people in the west are very naive that they think they are the good guys and the others are the bad guys. Come on, are things ever that straightforward except in movies (perhaps you've watched too many American ones!)
P.S. Why do you think Makarios was called Castro? Maybe because he didn't dance to America's tune? When USA said jump, he didn't ask how high? I have read a lot about Makarios and I happen to think, as did many others, that he was an excellent politician in many respects. Come on Militiades, what do you want? Our President to just be USA's puppet in the same way Blair is? In that case, what is even the point of being independent? Might as well just have let the colonial Brits stay - mind you, I bet you would have probably liked that wouldn't you?
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by miltiades » Mon Jul 24, 2006 9:23 pm
Simon , our nation is divided and partly occupied today because the "motherland " whose flag you so proudly display , who rejected us in 1915 and again in 1923 gave Turkey the green light to invade in 1974 by staging unanimously the overthrow of Makarios. I mentioned in another thread a little while ago that Makarios made a fatal error by underestimating the stupidity of the junta leaders. I listened to Patakos in Salonica making a speech and telling people no more tavli , no more kafenia doulia doulia doulia , Ellas Elinon Xristianon.
They were complete and utter irresponsible people and they caused our islands division.Not the f..ng Americans.
Your views unfortunately are shared by the vast majority of Cypriots who one of the politis journalists recently called "arabades "
Makarios did not dance to Americas tune as you say , I wish he bloody did and gave them bases when they asked
but no , we don't want prostitution and drugs arriving in Cyprus do we ?
When you are a minion in this world , a mere drop in the ocean , as Cyprus is , it is an imperative survival instinct too position your self with those that can offer you security and stop the bigger fish eating you.It is not capitulation , it is sensible diplomacy , a word invented by the Greeks and yet they do not yet understand the meaning of the word .
As far as the AP is concerned I'm certain that you know where I stand on this. Dead against it , but not against the authors of the plan.
Finally I do wish you would introduce the Cyprus flag as your avatar , it doesnt mean you are denying your heritage , it means that you are brave enough to see that our only common ground with our Turkish Cypriots is our flag and Cyprus.
In case you think that I'm in denial of my Hellenic heritage , I refer you to my very first post way back in April . I called my self an Anglo Greek .
My children are bearers of Greek names , baptized in the Greek Church , I speak Greek fluently , but naturally having lived in the UK since the age of 15 I have limitations with my Greek. Unlike some of my compatriots I can see that unless we have a change in our outlook regarding our national identity the solution will be but a dream.
A message to Admin : as it is obvious from this post my usage of the letter f has decreased drastically , I regret the abbreviated method used in order to protect the innocent .
They were complete and utter irresponsible people and they caused our islands division.Not the f..ng Americans.
Your views unfortunately are shared by the vast majority of Cypriots who one of the politis journalists recently called "arabades "
Makarios did not dance to Americas tune as you say , I wish he bloody did and gave them bases when they asked
but no , we don't want prostitution and drugs arriving in Cyprus do we ?
When you are a minion in this world , a mere drop in the ocean , as Cyprus is , it is an imperative survival instinct too position your self with those that can offer you security and stop the bigger fish eating you.It is not capitulation , it is sensible diplomacy , a word invented by the Greeks and yet they do not yet understand the meaning of the word .
As far as the AP is concerned I'm certain that you know where I stand on this. Dead against it , but not against the authors of the plan.
Finally I do wish you would introduce the Cyprus flag as your avatar , it doesnt mean you are denying your heritage , it means that you are brave enough to see that our only common ground with our Turkish Cypriots is our flag and Cyprus.
In case you think that I'm in denial of my Hellenic heritage , I refer you to my very first post way back in April . I called my self an Anglo Greek .
My children are bearers of Greek names , baptized in the Greek Church , I speak Greek fluently , but naturally having lived in the UK since the age of 15 I have limitations with my Greek. Unlike some of my compatriots I can see that unless we have a change in our outlook regarding our national identity the solution will be but a dream.
A message to Admin : as it is obvious from this post my usage of the letter f has decreased drastically , I regret the abbreviated method used in order to protect the innocent .
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by Landis » Tue Jul 25, 2006 12:50 am
As I stated in another post, civilians casualities are always a product of any violent conflict. However, Hezbollah is to blame for the Lebanese casualites as much as Israel. Remember that Hezbollah is a terrorist organization. They think nothing of hiding in suburbs and surrounding themselves with innocent people. Hezbollah knew the consequences of its actions against Israel. Is anyone surprised that Hezbollah is shielding itself with humans and installs itself in residential areas? Human life means nothing to them yet they will parade dead children in front of the cameras while crying that they are the victims.
While I do not doubt for a minute that Israel is doing its share of propagandizing, Hezbollah is anything but a victim. It is Hezbollah's positioning of itself that led directly to the killing of civilians. It is also very easy to always blame the west and specifically the USA. I believe it was in this thread that someone said that 9/11 happened because the US is so big and powerful. They are, but the people going to work on 9/11 did not deserve to die because groups disagree with US government or its policy. However, I am sure that to some here it doesn't matter because they were just Americans and who cares about Americans, right?
The US certainly has done it share of imposing its views on the world. But what powerful nation has not? Britain, Turkey, Russia, France, Greece, and the list goes on and on. No nation is without blood on its hands, even Cyprus. But you do not see the West encouraging suicide bombings or surrounding itself with human shields.
Someone suggested in this thread that the absence of Israel equals peace. No, but it would probably take the violence back to the infighting within individual countries and Christians in the region will be doomed. The fanatical sect of the Islamic faith wants coversion, those who don't convert will die. So who's ready to convert? Who's ready to walk streets where you see a banner of a cleric every few meters? Not me.
While I do not doubt for a minute that Israel is doing its share of propagandizing, Hezbollah is anything but a victim. It is Hezbollah's positioning of itself that led directly to the killing of civilians. It is also very easy to always blame the west and specifically the USA. I believe it was in this thread that someone said that 9/11 happened because the US is so big and powerful. They are, but the people going to work on 9/11 did not deserve to die because groups disagree with US government or its policy. However, I am sure that to some here it doesn't matter because they were just Americans and who cares about Americans, right?
The US certainly has done it share of imposing its views on the world. But what powerful nation has not? Britain, Turkey, Russia, France, Greece, and the list goes on and on. No nation is without blood on its hands, even Cyprus. But you do not see the West encouraging suicide bombings or surrounding itself with human shields.
Someone suggested in this thread that the absence of Israel equals peace. No, but it would probably take the violence back to the infighting within individual countries and Christians in the region will be doomed. The fanatical sect of the Islamic faith wants coversion, those who don't convert will die. So who's ready to convert? Who's ready to walk streets where you see a banner of a cleric every few meters? Not me.
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by Iran Forever » Tue Jul 25, 2006 3:38 am
[quote="miltiades"]This also is my last post on the matter , will try to reduce the usage of the "f" so that I don't spell off with 2 fs .
I never attacked your fatherland , I attacked the current leadership and will carry on doing so for as long as I live in the Western world and have the freedom to criticize and express views .
YOU WROTE:
""and most of the content in my posts were rebuttals of attacks on my heritage and my fatherland "
I have used on a number of occasions the f word , to all those offended by it I humbly apologise. I will store it away and hopefully no bigot will come along and accuse me of being a pumpkin or a Greek Cypriot imposter or call me an uneducated moron who cant spell (Just discovered the Google spell check !! )[/quote]
Admin, please log this one too...some people just have to get that last dig and last word in, and can't let go. I thought, Admin, the object was to have this verbal sparring stop, so please Admin, remind this member to stop.
I never attacked your fatherland , I attacked the current leadership and will carry on doing so for as long as I live in the Western world and have the freedom to criticize and express views .
YOU WROTE:
""and most of the content in my posts were rebuttals of attacks on my heritage and my fatherland "
I have used on a number of occasions the f word , to all those offended by it I humbly apologise. I will store it away and hopefully no bigot will come along and accuse me of being a pumpkin or a Greek Cypriot imposter or call me an uneducated moron who cant spell (Just discovered the Google spell check !! )[/quote]
Admin, please log this one too...some people just have to get that last dig and last word in, and can't let go. I thought, Admin, the object was to have this verbal sparring stop, so please Admin, remind this member to stop.
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by Iran Forever » Tue Jul 25, 2006 3:40 am
[quote="miltiades"]This also is my last post on the matter , will try to reduce the usage of the "f" so that I don't spell off with 2 fs .
I never attacked your fatherland , I attacked the current leadership and will carry on doing so for as long as I live in the Western world and have the freedom to criticize and express views .
YOU WROTE:
""and most of the content in my posts were rebuttals of attacks on my heritage and my fatherland "
I have used on a number of occasions the f word , to all those offended by it I humbly apologise. I will store it away and hopefully no bigot will come along and accuse me of being a pumpkin or a Greek Cypriot imposter or call me an uneducated moron who cant spell (Just discovered the Google spell check !! )[/quote]
Admin, in this post I am being called a "bigot"...again this in violation of your request for this to stop which you directed to both me and Miltads.
I never attacked your fatherland , I attacked the current leadership and will carry on doing so for as long as I live in the Western world and have the freedom to criticize and express views .
YOU WROTE:
""and most of the content in my posts were rebuttals of attacks on my heritage and my fatherland "
I have used on a number of occasions the f word , to all those offended by it I humbly apologise. I will store it away and hopefully no bigot will come along and accuse me of being a pumpkin or a Greek Cypriot imposter or call me an uneducated moron who cant spell (Just discovered the Google spell check !! )[/quote]
Admin, in this post I am being called a "bigot"...again this in violation of your request for this to stop which you directed to both me and Miltads.
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by Iran Forever » Tue Jul 25, 2006 3:49 am
[quote="Simon"]Iran forever, you have my backing. Certain people who live in the West are completely brainwashed with propoganda, and don't understand the realities of the world. Iran is not a perfect country, but neither is the USA, UK, or any other country for that matter (regardless of what Militiades would like you to believe).
Remember this, the GC members' views on this forum does not seem to generally reflect the views of GCs in general (probably because most people on this forum live in the west).[/quote]
Efharisto para poli, my friend Simon. By the way, ego agapo tin Elladha! And Greek Cypriots. Incidentally, as a convert to the Greek Orthodox Christian faith, I am very concerned about the fate of Orthodox monasteries, churches and sketes in northern Cyprus. Many religious artifacts, such as precious icons and frescoes have been stolen by Turks and sold to Jewish art peddlers....one example was the fresco from the apse of the Kanakaria Church in Lythrangomi stolen by a Turk, Aydin Dikman, and sold to a Jewish American art dealer, Peg Goldberg.
Remember this, the GC members' views on this forum does not seem to generally reflect the views of GCs in general (probably because most people on this forum live in the west).[/quote]
Efharisto para poli, my friend Simon. By the way, ego agapo tin Elladha! And Greek Cypriots. Incidentally, as a convert to the Greek Orthodox Christian faith, I am very concerned about the fate of Orthodox monasteries, churches and sketes in northern Cyprus. Many religious artifacts, such as precious icons and frescoes have been stolen by Turks and sold to Jewish art peddlers....one example was the fresco from the apse of the Kanakaria Church in Lythrangomi stolen by a Turk, Aydin Dikman, and sold to a Jewish American art dealer, Peg Goldberg.
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