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[Iran Forever]

[quote="miltiades"]Iran must never be allowed to develop nuclear capabilities. The entire world agrees on that .If negotiations do not achieve this , then the free world will do all it can to ensure that this regime never achieves its ambition .[/quote]

You represent Turkey, Israel, and the USA very well. A Turk devoted to Israel I suppose.

[Natty]

Well said Iran Forever!

[Iran Forever]

One final note...Hezbollah approached Israel in 2003 for negotations over prisoner exchanges, Israel didn't want to hear of it...Israeli Ambassador's to the U.N. Dan Gillerman didn't know what to say when a journalist asked him about this during his recent press conference at the U.N. and instead tried to skillfully change the subject.

[Natty]

I think people in the 'West' aren't really told about what's really happening in the Middle East, they tend to look down on it almost, because people are fighting each other, so they must not be very 'civilised'....They do not realise however, that it is often the wests policy on the Middle East, past and present that caused and continue to cause many problems...

I was watching a documentary a while ago on the History channel about Lawrence of Arabia, who fought with the Arabs for their independance from the Ottomans, the British promised them their own free state, but (I think this is what happened..It was a few months ago, my memory's not too good..) the British and French, when independance was achieved, actually split the area between themselves, which caused many problems....very sad...

[cypezokyli]

you seem to be well informed iran forever.
would you say that there is currently a split between sunnis and shiites ?
starting from iraq and spreading throughout middle east.
is there a rift between hizpollah and al quada (i ve read that in a couple of papers) ?
and how to sunnis (especially the saudis) see the current power politics of iran ?
saudis and egyptians seem to be extremely quiet in the current conflict.

Incidentally, Cypez, I am not a Hezbollah apologist per se, or even a mullah-fan, but I believe Western misconceptions about the Middle East need to be addressed by those whose roots emanate from the region and who know the region.

thanks for the extended informative post iran forever.
if you read the section "savages strike again" i have heavily critisized israel for its tactics (before and during this current war). on the other hand (and irrespective how much right they might have) i believe hizpollaz action was the least stupid , and has brought no benefit to the lebanese people. they should have expected such barbaric reaction from israel , and not put that burden on the lebanese people.

i ve found the following article in the quardian , and i would like you to comment on it :

http://observer.guardian.co.uk/world/st ... 30,00.html

they refer that there is no big shia conspiracy.
on the other hand there seems to be (lately) a close relation between hamas and hizpollah. despite the fact , that you made it clear that they are different groups.

lastly it appears that without iran hizpollah would never hat a chance . (a persian student told me that hizpollah is financed with a decision of the iranian parliament with 70m$ / month !!!) it seems that iran wants to show its power and that it can create problems.

and on iraq. who finances the civil war between sunnis and shiites ?
do we have a situation were elites fight for power and one side is financed by iran and the other by al qaida ?
a persian student told me that he wouldnt be surprised if iran was financing both sites just to create problems to the americans

i have some more questions but i ll need to formulate them correctly, and i ll come back to you.

[miltiades]

Iran For Ever , have read your very learned article and appreciate the vies expressed by some one who naturally has a lot more knowledge of the M.East than we do .I havew expressed views that you as an Iranian will of course find dissagreable , before I continue the following is what I posted on 20th July.

"""Many many innocent children have lost their lives in Lebanon and no one can justify such horrendous actions. Israel bears responsibility for the death of so many innocents ""

You believe that since Pakistan , with many more fanatics as you say that Iran , has nuclear capabilities why should I

[miltiades]

Sorry , pressed the wrong button , will continue.
You say why should any one object to Iran possessing Nuclear weapons. The answer is simple. Your President has on more than one occasion stated as his objective the annihilation of the state of Israel. Regardless how much hatred there is for Israel , the state of Israel will continue. The sooner Hezbollah and Hamas and the naive of the M.East realize that the sooner peace will have a chance. Pakistan should never have been allowed to have the nuclear capability , it was a mistake that the US is regretting now.It was encouraged to develop its nuclear capability during the cold war with the Soviets , and to counterbalance the fact that India , encouraged by Russia developed its own.
Iran falls in to a different structure . Here is a regime that openly expresses its wish to see another state wiped off the face of the earth. It comes at a time that the West is concerned that an atomic weapon in the hands of a Al-Qaeda would be used without hesitation against the West.Iran is seen as a nation of religious fanatics , and it doesn't matter what you or I say , the West will not allow Iran to develop such weapons .Full stiop.Dont kid your self that the West will succumb , it will not. Iran will be stopped what ever it takes. So that you understand where I stand on the current events in Lebanon , here is the entire post of 19/7/06 .

"""I support fully and unconditionally the right of Palestinians to have their own state with secure borders and the same for Israel .I dislike the religious element involved , from both sides , that is the poison that creates so much bloodshed and suffering. The Hezbollah are a bunch of fanatics who have as their agenda along with Hamas and Iran , may be Syria too , the destruction of Israel , and if they had the power they would kill every woman man and child and impose their theocratic lunacy on the entire area. Remember the Hezbollah braves started this whole thing by entering Israel killing 6 and abducting 2 . Israel would not capitulate to this provocative action.The force used against Hezbollah is perhaps disproportionate but it will get worse just as soon as the brave warriors of Iran and Syria join in , and they will !

I do not condone murder of innocents by any one. The killing of the innocent Lebanese is a crime against humanity and the fuse that started this mad war was lit by Hamas and Hezbollah. Israel has on its hands the blood of many innocents , but it takes two to tango , so don't demonise Israel and glorify the fanatics that started this. Even the name of their organization is reprehensible , what god would create a party dedicated top the destruction of an entire nation ?? No wonder the bloody religious bullshit started from the part of the world where violence and hatred is rampant. ""

[lysi]

Why is AMERICAS pet ISRAEL allowed to have nuclear weapons but IRAN & NORTH KOREA are not ?
The USA will not dare to invade IRAN because they know the iranians will put up a better fight then the iraqis, but of corse BRITAIN will have to join the USA in any attack on IRAN because PRESIDENT BLAIR always does as he is told to do by WARMONGER BUSH.
The leader of the free democratic world sits back and does nothing while ISRAEL murders hundreds of lebanese women & children and causes thousands of people to leave there homes, no wonder the USA is hated by so many people.
Remember the GENOCIDE commited by ISRAEL & there pals in the SABRA & SHATILLA palestinian refugee camps in beirut in 1982.

[miltiades]

Because , frankly my dear , the West does not consider Israel a treat .Since the West leads the rest fall in line. Clear enough for you ? Those who live in the West and despise it and hope for its destruction have a perfect choice to make any time they choose and the sooner the better .We are infested by people who hate our way of life , and I say to them all , you don't like our Western values then piss off.
How about it Lysi , you have expressed many times your immense hatred of the West , well Iraq is looking for aid workers and Iran will also be on the look out soon , why not join them , or maybe Lybia, Egypt , Sudan too is a good place to be right now , why are you wasting your time in a country that you despise.

[Iran Forever]

[quote="miltiades"]Because , frankly my dear , the West does not consider Israel a treat .Since the West leads the rest fall in line. Clear enough for you ? Those who live in the West and despise it and hope for its destruction have a perfect choice to make any time they choose and the sooner the better .We are infested by people who hate our way of life , and I say to them all , you don't like our Western values then piss off.
How about it Lysi , you have expressed many times your immense hatred of the West , well Iraq is looking for aid workers and Iran will also be on the look out soon , why not join them , or maybe Lybia, Egypt , Sudan too is a good place to be right now , why are you wasting your time in a country that you despise.[/quote]

My dear pumpkin, don't patronize the rest of us about "your way of life" or "Western values"...and oh, I am an American born and raised in the USA, so I don't need your crap about Western values or "way of life"...keep your Republican sh-t out of this forum please...I don't need you (in all likelihood an Anglicized Turk) to teach anyone here about Western values, as if YOU are the expert on Western values just by virtue of living in the U.K.! What a laugh! The oil cartel seems to dictate your idol Bush's "Western values"...I do not despise my country the USA, but I do dislike my president and his foreign policy and that is not hating America, moron...so "piss off".