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[Kifeas]

I read this about enosis which I thought was quite interesting,

"The official position of the Republic of Cyprus today is that enosis is neither feasible nor desirable. None the less, the Greek heritage of the Island is undeniable. And it is important to realize that, historically, enosis was not the romantic and irrational idea it has so often been made out to be. As a national aspiration, however simplistic, it conformed perfectly well with the emergence of modern Greece and with the desire of the Greek Cypriots, who were a small force in themselves, to have an ally in an attempt to escape from the British Empire..."


Peace!

Natty, as a courtesy to your readers, please try to always provide the source and the link of things you are posting, and are not your own words. Normally this is also a strict requirement when posting in forums or writing in journals, books, newspapers, etc.

[Pyrpolizer]

Yes, I think I do. You obviously believe that the hundreds of Cypriots studying at Greek Universities FOR FREE or our (much more than) helping you entering the EU or even the defence pact that has kept you safe since 74 are trivial and not worth considering. YOU are PAYING because of us? YOU must be joking, do you REALLY believe that it was the greek junta and not Makarios' politics that brought the Turkish Invasion? The coup was just a (good) reason to give the green light to a plan already prepared, a plan that would eventually materialise anyway. But hey, don't even bother answering, I've met people of your mentality before and I pretty much have heard all kinds of arguments one can think of. "WE ARE PAYING because of you"... my god...

Obviously you didn’t get it, so get it now: I don’t want to elaborate on this issue.

The topic here is Enosis. So if you want to contribute you could perhaps answer kikapu’s query.

Would you as a mainland Greek want Enosis, have that rivive in some GC brains in the future? (after a solution i.e)

[Pyrpolizer]

Do not restrict your answer to political reasons only...

[miltiades]

AlexiSS , It was the Greek junta that gave Turkey the green light to invade. The Junta that when Turkey invaded withdrew into their sumptuous homes and could not even be found by foreign diplomats in Athens. Makarios made the fatal error of under estimating the juntas total stupidity. They overthrew Makarios , not the Cypriots. Their diplomatic skills were those of a confidence trickster .The idiots could not see that the warnings given to them by the USA on Turkeys intentions were real .As of course the case always is , we can blame the good old Yanks , shake our heads and utter the profound statement >americaniko daxtilo.

[Pyrpolizer]

Alexis, what "Pyrpoliser" meant in his undoubtedly usually redundant comments

Look who is talking! You think your usual novel writtings do not contain redundant comments?

Anyway thank you for explaining him what I meant but to tell you the truth most of what you said that I meant were not what I meant!

[Issy1956]

A minor inconstistency was pointed out to me by one of my GC friends in that one of the most fervent supporters of Enosis (the union of Cyprus with Greece) was the autocephalus Greek Orthrodox Church of Cyprus. Funnily enough my friend noted that the same autocephalus Greek Orthrodox Church of Cyprus fiercely defended their own independence when it came to join their church with the mainstream Greek Orthrodox Church. Hypocritical or what.
Comments please.

[Kifeas]

AlexiSS , It was the Greek junta that gave Turkey the green light to invade. The Junta that when Turkey invaded withdrew into their sumptuous homes and could not even be found by foreign diplomats in Athens. Makarios made the fatal error of under estimating the juntas total stupidity. They overthrew Makarios , not the Cypriots. Their diplomatic skills were those of a confidence trickster .The idiots could not see that the warnings given to them by the USA on Turkeys intentions were real .As of course the case always is , we can blame the good old Yanks , shake our heads and utter the profound statement >americaniko daxtilo.

Miltiades, please do not try to cover the USA responsibility in this way because the facts are quite the opposite of what you claimed above. The CIA essentially mislead the junta into believing that there was no problems with Turkey should they wanted to "go ahead" with Makarios, and on the other hand they were providing all the information to the Turks as to what the junta was planning so that they would be ready to cease the "opportunity." When things eventually happened, it was Kissinger that facilitated everything to roll as planned, under the pre-text of trying to repel a Greco-Turkish war. He essentially tried and somehow “convinced” the junta "colonels" in Greece that he was trying to convince and later to get the Turks to agree to a cease fire should they refrain from intervening, while giving Turkey all the time it needed to conclude and consolidate its operations in Cyprus. This also resulted in the very slow and late reaction of the NG in Cyprus which being under the control of the Greek officers was waiting orders from the headquarters in Greece as to what it was going to do, even though it was known to everybody that Turkey had already taken its decision and in fact started its invading mission almost 20 hours before it landed in Cyprus. Yes, it was the stupidity, foolishness and even treacherous actions of the "Greek" junta, but please do not say that the Americans have warned them, because the truth is precisely the opposite.

[cypezokyli]

A minor inconstistency was pointed out to me by one of my GC friends in that one of the most fervent supporters of Enosis (the union of Cyprus with Greece) was the autocephalus Greek Orthrodox Church of Cyprus. Funnily enough my friend noted that the same autocephalus Greek Orthrodox Church of Cyprus fiercely defended their own independence when it came to join their church with the mainstream Greek Orthrodox Church. Hypocritical or what.
Comments please.

its true. imo one can never understand a conflict without taking into consideration what the political elites have to loose / gain from a new state of things, and how they react to them.

as i posted two pages ago ,about the church

the church didnot support the greek revolution , and had absolutely no reason to want the system to change. they were the ones most benefiting from the ottoman empire. after the british came (who could never understand why the priests are rulling us) they took a number of their privilages away. it was only natural , as one of the leading elite groups in the gc society that they would turn against them.

[Pyrpolizer]

A minor inconstistency was pointed out to me by one of my GC friends in that one of the most fervent supporters of Enosis (the union of Cyprus with Greece) was the autocephalus Greek Orthrodox Church of Cyprus. Funnily enough my friend noted that the same autocephalus Greek Orthrodox Church of Cyprus fiercely defended their own independence when it came to join their church with the mainstream Greek Orthrodox Church. Hypocritical or what.
Comments please.

Yes and no!

No because:
Would Bank of Cyprus be oblidged to become part of Bank of Greece in case of Enosis? Private institutions had no obligation to amaglamate under Enosis. Simply would follow the regulations of the new state.The church is a private bussiness institution.

Yes because:
The church is supposed to be a charity institution. As a charity institution should want to amalgamate with the Greek Church like e.g the two Red Crosses would do.

So my friend the hypocricy that you talked about does not really stem from the desire of the priests for Enosis. It pre-existed and it stems from the fact that they claim to be a charity institution whereas they are a bussiness one.

[Pyrpolizer]

the church didnot support the greek revolution , and had absolutely no reason to want the system to change. they were the ones most benefiting from the ottoman empire.

Ate re! They were slaughtering one after the other and you tell me they had no reason. FYI they set them personally responsible for everything, and they were the first to pay with their lives for any of the mistakes of the villagers. Even for the fact that the local pasha lost his hanumaki and couln’t find another one so sweat and so tender….