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[cypezokyli]

Most people wanted Enosis because other people wanted Enosis.

So you have to check who the elites that started it were:

In short:The church, the teachers, and some other "enlightened" people.

As to why I will let others explain.

i agree with purpoliser on this.

as to the time question that kifeas is bringing up , this traces back to the mid or actually late 1800s. i.e. when nationalism started raising throughout europe and in the balkans.

the church didnot support the greek revolution , and had absolutely no reason to want the system to change. they were the ones most benefiting from the ottoman empire. after the british came (who could never understand why the priests are rulling us) they took a number of their privilages away. it was only natural , as one of the leading elite groups in the gc society that they would turn against them.

the teachers influence , is the "fault" of the british again. they were the ones that brought a number of teachers from greece .

[Pyrpolizer]

Kifeas,

I was talking for the period between the 40s and the early 70s. Everybody knows the highlight of Enosis was during the liberation struggle of 55-59 and a few years later, so it doesn’t need a rocket scientist to figure out what Natty was asking.
I try to be practical my friend.

That is why Makarios got elected for a huge majority during those years, even though after 1968 he ruled out enosis as his political objective

Makarios never ruled out Enosis publicly. In 1972 he even delivered his famous "Nekrothapte tis Enoseos" (buriers of Enosis are those who..) speach. This does not necessarily mean he was working for it.

The facts are:
a)Others were accusing him that he was not working as fast as he should in achieving Enosis.
b)Others were praising him for taking the slow path.
c)Others were accusing him of abandoning the "holy target".
d)Others were praising him for "secretely" abandoning the "holy target".

The common denominator to all is that they just thought we was doing so.
Nobody can ever tell what he was upto. Only God and his soul know. Makarios was manipulating everybody playing on multiple boards.

By late 1960’s it was only a minority that wanted enosis

How do you know that? Do you have any statistics? Only a minority was fighting for Enosis yes, that’s a fact.
The rest is mere speculation. It could be true, it could be false.

Imho the tendency towards Enosis was always very low. What do I mean by that? Take the average people. Ask them this simple question "you want Enosis yes or no"? The average man would say "Hmm I really don’t know, I don’t care, but let me see, most "enlightened" people say it’s a good thing, heroes fought and died for it, putting everything on balance it seems I should say yes". This is a "low tendency". Regardless, it could turn out to a 90% yes voting!!!
Imho again the fact that after the invasion the percentage of those who still wanted Enosis dropped to almost zero, is another indication the tendency for Enosis among the GCs was always low, and the "idea" would eventually faint out sooner or later no matter what

[Pyrpolizer]

Is Greece any "greater" now, after 50 years, and if it is, than does that mean the idea of "New Enosis" will once again rise ?. So the TC's should have great concerns in that case, if there is going to be a final settlement. If Greece is still a piece of crap, then there shouldn't be anything to worry about. So which is it ??

But, wait a minute Kikapu. Didn’t you notice my words "neither the people"? What’s more important for you the TCs? The standard of living of Turkey or the way they treat you, and the degree you can identify with those people? Same for us my friend, same for us…
We learned the hard way. You learned the hard way ….

Too bad we never had enough time to learn the easy way.

NB.Using EU aid Greece surpassed us in many sectors e.g manufactiring, high-tech (computers etc). Generally however they are still a bit behind us. That’s not the point though.

[Natty]

Hey, thanks for everyone's opinions, but I guess what I wanted to know is why the GC's wanted enosis, and were they so 'evil', so to speak for wanting it...If that makes any sense....

Peace!!

[Natty]

Hey, this is what the UN mediator Galo Plazo for Cyprus Wrote about what he felt was the general feeling amongst the GC population about the idea of 'enosis',

[quote]138. The question of Enosis itself has several aspects. If its imposition in present circumstances would be judged from the Turkish side as tantamount to an attempt at annexation to be resisted by force, it is also a question which, to the best of my understanding, does not enjoy unqualified support among the Greek-Cypriots as a whole. It is true that among them, as among many people in Greece, the word and the thought of Enosis have a highly emotional quality: it serves to some as a symbol of Pan-Hellenistic ideals, to others as the battle-cry of the resistance against colonial rule, and in the worst times of the present crisis it seemed like a banner under which the Greek-Cypriot community as a whole found their rallying-point. But as a practical step in the political evolution of Cyprus it has struck me, in discussions with a wide range of Greek-Cypriot opinion, as having a much less united and imperative driving force behind it.

139. This may be in part because there have been few precise indications of the form which Enosis should take and of the economic, social and political consequences which would flow from it. I understand Enosis to mean in its literal sense the complete absorption of Cyprus into Greece, but I would hesitate to say that this is what every Greek-Cypriot favouring it intends it to mean.[quote]




Peace!

[Kikapu]

Is Greece any "greater" now, after 50 years, and if it is, than does that mean the idea of "New Enosis" will once again rise ?. So the TC's should have great concerns in that case, if there is going to be a final settlement. If Greece is still a piece of crap, then there shouldn't be anything to worry about. So which is it ??

But, wait a minute Kikapu. Didn’t you notice my words "neither the people"? What’s more important for you the TCs? The standard of living of Turkey or the way they treat you, and the degree you can identify with those people? Same for us my friend, same for us…
We learned the hard way. You learned the hard way ….

Too bad we never had enough time to learn the easy way.

NB.Using EU aid Greece surpassed us in many sectors e.g manufactiring, high-tech (computers etc). Generally however they are still a bit behind us. That’s not the point though.

Although, the standard of living for the average Turk in Turkey is not the same as it is in the EU, their peoples hospitality far exceeds any EU nations. Just ask any foreigner who has been there. So when you said "neither the people", I took it to mean, that Greece and its people were not "great", so my question was, is Greece and it's people are piece of crap today.?? So which is it, are they "great" or not, and if they are "GREAT", should the TC's worry about the rise of "New Enosis".

[EUropean666]

Since Greece is so crap, why it is on the EUROzone? Do you consider Turkey as European country? Surely NO.

I guess it is crap having freedom of speech and etc. It may not be a paradise but people live better than in turkey or any other asian - islamic country.
Concerning enosis, i learn this mostly from turkish sites since it is not in any EU site or Greek site. I guess if the majority wanted it why not? Pure democracy and with the clause to respect the T/C. What's wrong been in Europe?

[Kikapu]

Since Greece is so crap, why it is on the EUROzone? Do you consider Turkey as European country? Surely NO.

I guess it is crap having freedom of speech and etc. It may not be a paradise but people live better than in turkey or any other asian - islamic country.
Concerning enosis, i learn this mostly from turkish sites since it is not in any EU site or Greek site. I guess if the majority wanted it why not? Pure democracy and with the clause to respect the T/C. What's wrong been in Europe?

I did not say it was crab, it was a question? But to answer your main part of the question, "if Greece is so crap, why is it on the EUROzone", is like saying, "just because million flies like to eat shit, then it must taste good".

If you want to be part of Greece, then take 63% of Cyprus (land) with you and have a good time. The remaining 37% Cyprus (land) would like to remain where it is. You see, "pure Democracy" works just fine.

[EUropean666]

The "remaining 37%" does not fit let's say with the 18% of the turkish speeking cypriots. Nevertheless Cyprus has developed its economy and it does not need Greece. Nevertheless do you think that Turkey is a EUropean country that shares the same values and norms with the rest of us?

[Kikapu]

Well, the 18% of Turkish Cypriots fit just fine in the 37% of the remaining Cyprus. It even has plenty of room for the Greek Cypriots, when ever there is a settlement and they want to be part of it. Some part of Turkey share the same norm and values as EU, just like some parts of Greece and Cyprus. From what I hear, Cyprus does not even have a decent, if any, public transportation system. Does that fit well with the norms of other EU states. By the way, Turkey does have one.!!