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[miltiades]

Dollop , The Turkish Cypriot land in the ROC belongs to the T/Cs according to the legal deeds that the legal Government of Cyprus recognises , along with the legal regimes of every other nation on earth. The Orams have deeds issued by a make belief banana republic created by Turkey and recognised by no one apart from Turkey.
How can you seriously suggest that the deeds issued by the "TRNC " ARE LEGITIMATE ??
The Orams and others like them need their heads examined .

[Piratis]

Worth fighting for???? The Orams Villa.

let me ask you something. who does that land belong to?
please keep your answer short and sincere

The land belongs to Apostolides. The Orams should pay the fine for their illegal action, then pay Apostolides rent for using his property, and then take their bricks and get lost.

If the UK courts do not serve justice then justice will be served in a different way to the Orams and the other criminals of their kind.

[miltiades]

The British courts are known throughout the world as being fair and impartial in their judgement based on evidence and legality. The European courts are also well respected for their judicial wisdom and impartiality in dealing with complex cases .The Orams have the legal consequences of their thoughtless act to face for as long as they stay on the land of Apostolides. After all they retired for a quite and tranquil life , is it though ?

[Viewpoint]

Look with how much pride Viewpoint presents his achievements on stolen property.

You are paranoid

[Viewpoint]

I think you would have to be a bit more specific with the term "belong". The Orams currently have use of it, Apostolides owns deeds for it as do the Orams, but those deeds have different legitimacy in the eyes of various groups of people. I guess who has the right to use the land will be decided in the European Court of Human Rights sometime in the future.

Then the ECHR can refer them to the new property committee for financial compensation, this is the only way it will be resolved prior to a solution.

[Justice4Cyprus]

She took this case because at the end of the day "Money Talks and Bullshit Walks" She is an independent barrister and NOT the Prime Ministers wife during working hours. (Despite what PapaFlopalot likes to think)

Nobody in the UK gives a flying fuck about what happens in Cyprus and taking this case to the UK was misguided to say the least.

I would like to see your reaction if you lost your home? A lot of people in The UK do care as to the outcome of this case. Also try and use your couple of brain cells in the future before you open your mouth.

[Pyrpolizer]

I am more excited about the pseudo state TRNC and the speed with which we are developing this cannot be stopped, we may have started late but give us 10 years and we will be in a much better situation that you are

Look with how much pride Viewpoint presents his achievements on stolen property.

You are paranoid

I pity you!

[Viewpoint]

I am more excited about the pseudo state TRNC and the speed with which we are developing this cannot be stopped, we may have started late but give us 10 years and we will be in a much better situation that you are

Look with how much pride Viewpoint presents his achievements on stolen property.

You are paranoid

I pity you!

I dont need your pity as has no value your attitude is belittling and uncalled for. You live thousands of miles away and attempt to judge reality from a far. Nothing can be put on hold until the GCs try to extract all their demands to agree a solution. But there again its your right you can say NO to each and every plan that comes your way every 30 years or so, we have to respect that...

[souroul]

update

Cherie: Cyprus law doesn’t apply in ‘TRNC’
By Simon Bahceli

A LONG-ANTICIPATED landmark property case kicked off yesterday in London’s High Court with British Prime Minister Tony Blair’s barrister wife Cherie Blair seeking to justify the possession by a British couple of land belonging to a Greek Cypriot who fled the north of the island in the wake of the 1974 Turkish invasion.
The High Court hearing came as a result of failed attempts by a court in Cyprus to have British couple Linda and David Orams vacate the property following its ruling last November ordering them to demolish the house they had built on Greek Cypriot refugee Melitis Apostolides’ land in the occupied village of Lapithos.

As a result of the court’s inability to enforce its ruling in the north, Apostolides’ Cypriot lawyer Constantis Candounas applied to have the case heard in the UK in the hope that the Oram’s family home in East Sussex could be seized by the British authorities and sold off to provide compensation for the Greek Cypriot refugee.

Yesterday, Blair, working under her maiden name Booth, sought to convince the court that the Orams had been unwittingly caught up in the Cyprus dispute, and that it would be wrong to punish the couple for something they had little or no knowledge of.

She also argued that Cypriot law did not apply in the Turkish Cypriot breakaway statelet, and asked the judge to take into account the “realities” of the situation in Cyprus that had resulted in the three-decade division of the island.

Blair also drew attention to the fact that there were other channels Apostolides could have approached to regain or get compensation for his property, namely the newly established property commission in the north and, failing this, the European Court of Human Rights (ECHR).

According to a reporter present at the court, numerous objections were made by Apostolides’ lawyer Tom Beazley over Blair’s use of the title “TRNC” when referring to the breakaway state.

Blair responded to these objections by saying she was using the title “for practical reasons”.

It is possible that the British judge could deliver a ruling on the case at the end of the three-day hearing, and if the Orams lose the case, it could mean them forfeiting their home in Sussex. It would also almost certainly sound the death knell for the already-waning sale of predominantly Greek Cypriot properties in the north of the island.
If, on the other hand, the judge rules that the Orams are guiltless and refuses to uphold the Cypriot court ruling, it could constitute a severe blow to Greek Cypriot efforts to apply pressure on the north to return properties belonging to refugees.
Yesterday Candounas, the lawyer instrumental in taking the case to the UK, told the Cyprus Mail he believed the case was “going well”.

“We are very pleased,” he said, adding the quip that it had been “very interesting listening to Ms Booth’s arguments”.

Tomorrow Blair will continue presenting her case, after which she will present witnesses who will be cross examined by Beazley. Following that, starting today and continuing tomorrow, Beazley will present Apostolides’ side of the argument.

Copyright © Cyprus Mail 2006

TRNC? what TRNC? whats that? cheese?

[reportfromcyprus]

Apostolides' case rests on EU law which says that a court judgement carried out in an EU country is valid in all other EU countries.

Booth says that the non-government controlled areas are outside the EU because the EU acquis is suspended in the north pending a proper settlement.

That's the legal basis of the case being heard in the UK.

It would be more appropriate for the case to be fought on a human rights basis at the European Court of Human Rights. Apostolides is running a big risk of losing.

Realistically would a British court make it easy for EU foreign nationals to claim assets owned by UK citizens? Others may lose in the future as well - Greek and Turkish Cypriots. It would add up to a strengthening of the occupation regime if he loses.

I sympathise with him, and I think he's right to try and rectify things, but I'm not sure his methods will work out the way he expects them to.