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[Kikapu]

[...The last thing they want is to have headaches...It would be better for them to invest in West Turkey...with no headaches...

That is the worry, that unless a long lasting peace is found sooner rather than later, this part of Cyprus may one day become part of Turkey. Lets hope for peace, because praying for one, won't do.

[Viewpoint]

boomerang you cannot say this for certain although the numbers of british buyers has decreased other nationalities are still showing great interest. These types of cases are not a substitue for an over solution that will bring development to a halt. In the meantime TCs just view this as just another way to keep us economically hostage until they decide whether they want a solution or not or is their leader just paying lip service to seeking a solution.

The judgement can go against you, and you can run to the ECHR and EU will it be worth the gamble? The years it will take you to resolve this problem will mean the continuation of sales. GCs should be putting this effort into reaching a comprehensive solution so that as many GCs as possible can get back their properties.

[Kifeas]

Generally speaking, a judgement from one country can be transfered to another. I don't know how much the GC's that owened the property that the Orams built a house on was awarded, but in reality, it shouldn't be more than what the Orams paid for, for the land, and that judgement should have been against the person who sold it, and not the buyer. Were the Orams in court , in Nicosia to defend themselves, and if they were, how on earth would they have gotten a fair trial with or without a jury. So the British courts may just rule that the Orams judgement against them is not up to the standards for fair trial and that the judgement is not recognized , or at worse case senario, they will have to pay only for the land that they have bought, and that could be what ever it was worth from 1974 until the time it was bought, and keep the house built on intact. If the Orams went through all the channels in the TRNC to purchase the property, then the seller should bare all the responsibility.

No Kikapu, if the Orams feel they did not receive a fair trial under the Republic of Cyprus judicial system, it is none of the business of the British legal system to decide upon it. This is the job of the ECHR to rule upon such a possibility. The Orams can take their case in the ECHR against the RoC for not giving them a fair trial, which is the only court that has the right to determine such a possibility. The British high courts duty is only to adopt the ruling as far as its execution part is concerned, under the EU protocol calling for mutual honoring and execution of court rulings among EU member states.

[Kikapu]

Generally speaking, a judgement from one country can be transfered to another. I don't know how much the GC's that owened the property that the Orams built a house on was awarded, but in reality, it shouldn't be more than what the Orams paid for, for the land, and that judgement should have been against the person who sold it, and not the buyer. Were the Orams in court , in Nicosia to defend themselves, and if they were, how on earth would they have gotten a fair trial with or without a jury. So the British courts may just rule that the Orams judgement against them is not up to the standards for fair trial and that the judgement is not recognized , or at worse case senario, they will have to pay only for the land that they have bought, and that could be what ever it was worth from 1974 until the time it was bought, and keep the house built on intact. If the Orams went through all the channels in the TRNC to purchase the property, then the seller should bare all the responsibility.

No Kikapu, if the Orams feel they did not receive a fair trial under the Republic of Cyprus judicial system, it is none of the business of the British legal system to decide upon it. This is the job of the ECHR to rule upon such a possibility. The Orams can take their case in the ECHR against the RoC for not giving them a fair trial, which is the only court that has the right to determine such a possibility. The British high courts duty is only to adopt the ruling as far as its execution part is concerned, under the EU protocol calling for mutual honoring and execution of court rulings among EU member states.

You do have a point. However, the fact that the Orams have not done that, go to the ECHR, being that they might have had a good case to argue aginst fair trial, even threat of being jailed by the ROC, having built on GC property, had they appeared in person to defend themselves, must have been given assurances that the judgement case against them will not be enforced in the British courts, for one reason or another.

[boomerang]

can you actually trust a lawyer to give guarantees on a case prior to the case?...Yes if you only paid the judge...hehehehe

[Kikapu]

can you actually trust a lawyer to give guarantees on a case prior to the case?...Yes if you only paid the judge...hehehehe

Would the Supreme Court of the USA would have made George W.( the Dummy) Bush, President of the country in 2000, had his father did not appoint some of the judges during his term in office. If we only knew what goes on behind closed doors. !!!

[boomerang]

[That is the worry, that unless a long lasting peace is found sooner rather than later, this part of Cyprus may one day become part of Turkey. Lets hope for peace, because praying for one, won't do.

Yes lets hope that a solution is close by...

[boomerang you cannot say this for certain although the numbers of british buyers has decreased other nationalities are still showing great interest.

Yes we know that these other people are the Europeans...and the same will apply to them

[In the meantime TCs just view this as just another way to keep us economically hostage until they decide whether they want a solution or not or is their leader just paying lip service to seeking a solution.

What are you talking about...on one hand you set up a commission for compensation and giving homes back, as to satisfy the ECHR and on the other hand you are selling their properties to foreigners...Have you got any idea as to how underhanded this sounds?...You are making a mockery out of everyone...You want more money put your hand up and ask Turkey...They have been doing it from day one..What has changed the last two years?...Allow me to tell you, and this exactly why Dektash, didn't want the borders opened...Because the TC took one look at the South and said what the hell is going here, we have been cheated the last 32 years...What can I say you had a great leader...So now you are screaming that the South is holding you hostage...

[The judgement can go against you, and you can run to the ECHR and EU will it be worth the gamble? The years it will take you to resolve this problem will mean the continuation of sales.

My personal thought is that the damage is done regardless as to what the judgement will be from the British courts...For one the decision won't be final, and there will be appeals from the side that looses the hearing...The more it goes the more it gets highlighted that the properties in question are sold with out titles...and the sellers are immune from prosecution...And in this case would you trust any seller with your life long savings?

[GCs should be putting this effort into reaching a comprehensive solution so that as many GCs as possible can get back their properties.

Are you tellingl me that you subscribe to the thought that thought the GC would have voted for the Annan plan?...Blind Freddy could see the referandum would have been voted down before it went up for vote...YOu think Turkey didn't know that?...The question is why did Turkey wasted this opportunity for an everlasting peace...Not mentioning that Erdogan comes out of the negotiations saying I got everything I asked for...But hang on, to get everything you want some will miss out...

So the way I see it Turkey is holding the TC for ransom and is contriuting to your isolation...maybe you should be a bit more critical and demanding more of the Turkish government...What have you done to voice your concerns...

[boomerang]

can you actually trust a lawyer to give guarantees on a case prior to the case?...Yes if you only paid the judge...hehehehe

Would the Supreme Court of the USA would have made George W.( the Dummy) Bush, President of the country in 2000, had his father did not appoint some of the judges during his term in office. If we only knew what goes on behind closed doors. !!!

hehehe yes thats so true...but in reality Gore decided not to persue the case...He could have if he wanted but that would have paralised the American system, for a few months...

Are you also saying the British legal system is as corrupt as the Amaerican system?

The only similararity between the US and the UK is that you both have dummis as presidents...Don't get me wrong we also have a dummy as prime minister in Australia.

[Natty]

hehehehe...these Dummy Presidents, PM's are everwhere aren't they? You know soon they'll start taking over the whole world....Oooops too late!!!

[miltiades]

Wish I was a dummy and made it to the highest office in the world.
George Bush is a dummy to those who oppose his policies. There again all politicians are dummies in one way or another .