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[cypezokyli]

i see , once again you dont reply to all the things i write and we are back to london for which i answered a thousand times up to now , that it is a different story and i condemn it.

it seems that is the only argument you have and you recycle it every second post. ...no comment on the geneva convention , miltiadi ? or did you forget that ? how about annans call ? no mention on that either ?


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now what do you think makes someone a suicide bomber miltiadi ?

give me your wildest guess.
lets see if you can go , beyond a simple argument "islam makes them like that" . but that doesnot fit to our western understanding of a human being , either from an economic point of view or psycological point of view.
could it be socioeconomical reasons ?
could it be revenge ?
could it nothing left to loose ? (remember the 300 parapoulia of the poet)

did you know that the leader of hizpollah (whom you were celebrating his death yesterday - was it confirmed ? ) lost his 18 year old son , from an israeli attack ?

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not to mention , that you are differentianting between those who have the guns and those who dont. do you think they would have used suicide bombers if they had the military capabilities of israel ?
the japanese used suicide bombers only when they runed out of amunition. because they had no other choise.

at this point hizpollah , has missiles and shoots as blindly as israel does.

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for me someone who has a gun and shoots and kid , is no different from someone who wears a gun and kills a kid. both are sick , and at least the second cannot repeat it anymore. while the "civilized" can repeat it till there are no more children anymore.

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i am a guy.
and i am against violence , anyform of violence , state or nonstate, islamistic or american, hizbollah or israeli violence is for me the one and the same. as a concequence i dont qualify to join hizpollah. i dont have a problem condemning there actions as i do with israel. i dont see any fundamental difference between them.

i would like to see them dissapearring , but your buddy state , is spreading the seeds for many new of them
"amma xere pos ylantron ontas kopei kavatji trigiro tou petassounte trakosia parapoulia,
to nyn , anta na troei ti gi , troei ti gi tharkete , ma panta tjiino troete tjai tjino katalyete"

put it in your head for a while. try to get its meaning, and why israel will fail in the long run.....and a month ago abbas was pushing for a referendum to recognise them...but then they thought....lets "accidentally" shoot a missile and wipe out a whole family....they will collect exactly what they are now planting : blood and revenge.

[miltiades]

You have a perverted understanding of the entire situation , not wishing to be rude I think you are so full of hatred for Israel , America and the West in general. You only see and interpret according to your confused and once again perverted philosophy.
You see no difference between a suicide attack , premeditated and specifically aimed at innocent people , and an ambush of a military type. Do you see a difference between the rape of a baby and sex , or are both acts equivalent since the end result is one of sexual gratification.
The suicide killers are vicious barbarians primitive savages who have a distorted ideology and have been brainwashed to believe that not only are their actions Godly but the reward of heaven with all the fringe benefits awaits them.

Finally I did know about the son of the Hezbollah leader , may he soon join him , and the quickest he does the less people will be killed by either side.

[cypezokyli]

The suicide killers are vicious barbarians primitive savages who have a distorted ideology and have been brainwashed to believe that not only are their actions Godly but the reward of heaven with all the fringe benefits awaits them.

thats what your leaders made you believe in order to justify their killings. nobody becomes a thief , a killer , a suicide bomber etc just because a priest told him. certain conditions have to present. the history of a person, does not start at the point he blows himslef up , but way before.

that is why your kind of west (bc let me repeat once again that the people of Europe have a different opinion both on the irak and lebanon invations from your "west" - the US) , will never be able to solve this problem , bc it believes that with guns it can solve the problem , while it should try and find the reasons that lead those people to those actions.

the cheap argumentation "its islam" doesnot exlain why millions of muslims donot blow themselves up , while some very few others do.

the more bush & gang , continue with this logik , the more this problem will grow. calling them barbarians will not solve the problem.

[cypezokyli]

not to mention that since this war began , hizpollah has not used suicide bombers , but as israel only "civilized" missiles.
so i hinestly dont see what your problem is. actually if we compare the number of civilian victims up to now , it seems that the barbarian (islamic) hizpollah has echieved to reduce the "mistakes"....in comparison to other "civilized"

unless you want to blame hizpollah for the attacks in london as well , and make me explain you once again that the two are way different and the i condemn the attacks in london , in haifa AND beirut

[miltiades]

Would you kindly refrain from putting words in my mouth , I have never used the word Islamic , I have used perverted and sick ideology , this ideology existed amongst the Christians of Kosovo and Yugoslavia , the extreme and perverted ideology is not only the property of Islam .
You are obviously one of those individuals that equates crime as just crime .Murder is crime , stealing is crime , stealing a million is stealing , stealing a pound is still stealing therefore all crimes are equal and all criminals are categorised as criminals . Sexual offenders and pedophiles are all sexual offenders and tax evasion is tax evasion whether it involves a hundred pounds or a million.
I'm giving the above to show that all misdemeanours have a different level of criminality , the end result does not mean that all such wrongdoings are equally reprehensible same principle applies to Israel , though killing many innocents in its war against Hezbollah it is not intentionally targeting indiscriminately the civilians. Hezbollah is , they don't give ashit where their rockets land.

[boomerang]

Miltiades, is it possible the palestians have sufferd alot at the hands of the Israelis and drove them to the hands of the devil?...You seem to be discounting the plight of the palestinians with a lobsided argument...You are saying they should accept the peace that Israel is offering with out reservations...And you expect them to say yes to this?...You seem to forget that GAZA and West bank are one big open jail...And you also seem to forget that the screws to this massive open jail are the Israelis themselves...There is always two sides to the coin...

You are looking at the glass from the outside in, try and look at the glass from the inside out...A different picture might emerge...

[Kikapu]

Miltiades, is it possible the palestians have sufferd alot at the hands of the Israelis and drove them to the hands of the devil?...You seem to be discounting the plight of the palestinians with a lobsided argument...You are saying they should accept the peace that Israel is offering with out reservations...And you expect them to say yes to this?...You seem to forget that GAZA and West bank are one big open jail...And you also seem to forget that the screws to this massive open jail are the Israelis themselves...There is always two sides to the coin...

You are looking at the glass from the outside in, try and look at the glass from the inside out...A different picture might emerge...

And yet, when it comes to the Cyprus Issue, Miltiades is the first one to cry foul against the invasion and ocupation by Turkey. Giving his stand on nations that are stronger and are able to keep weaker nations under their control, it would have made a lot of sense had Miltiades lead the parade yesterday as the "grand marshal" in the TRNC to celebrate the 32nd anniversary of the invasion. Sorry, but I really needed to make a point here.

[miltiades]

Kikapu ,

[Kikapu]

Kikapu ,

Yes Miltiades.....

[cypezokyli]

Would you kindly refrain from putting words in my mouth ,

you mean like this :

Go join the Hezbollah , you sound like them

Israel , though killing many innocents in its war against Hezbollah it is not intentionally targeting indiscriminately the civilians. Hezbollah is , they don't give ashit where their rockets land.

this is simply your opinion.
i just checked one of your sources (BBC) and look what i found :

Bombed out roads and bridges are hampering aid efforts and on Thursday the UN warned that the humanitarian crisis is worsening by the hour. About 500,000 people are believed to have been internally displaced by the conflict.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/5202142.stm

War crimes could have been committed in Lebanon, Israel and Gaza, a senior UN official has said....
Indiscriminate shelling of cities constitutes a foreseeable and unacceptable targeting of civilians," Ms Arbour said.

"Similarly, the bombardment of sites with alleged military significance, but resulting invariably in the killing of innocent civilians, is unjustifiable."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/5197544.stm
who is this UN official that she dares to say "alleged" military targets.
who is this UN officail who dares refer to the actions of the two as "similarly" ?
shame on her. she should go and join hizpollah.
call G.W. - he should fire her immidiately

The nine-day offensive has killed at least 306 people and displaced an estimated 500,000 in Lebanon. The UN says almost a third of the dead and wounded are children.
The fighting has left 31 Israelis dead, including 15 civilians killed by rockets fired by Hezbollah into Israel.

the results really weaken your argument that israel cares about libanese civilians.

Israel states that it has no quarrel with the government or people of Lebanon, and that it is taking extreme precautions to avoid harm to them," Mr Annan said.

"Yet a number of its actions have hurt and killed Lebanese civilians and military personnel and caused great damage to infrastructure.

While Israel's actions were doing "little or nothing" to decrease popular support for Hezbollah in Lebanon or the region, they were doing a "great deal" to weaken the government of Lebanon, he said.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/5199088.stm

even annan is not convinced.
parhaps he should also go and join hizpollaz.


but annan is not a westerner is he ?
we should not care about non-civilized peoples opinions.
if G.W. said sth else , all the rest of us should start clapping.

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and thats only the bbc....YOUR sources.
how selectively do you read the news , i honestly wonder

elefterotypia : one of the biggest and most respected newspapers in greece refers to "massacre of civilians"
www.e-net.gr