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[Kikapu]

Most leaders in the "Western Civilization" feel they need to do uncivilized events in order to show their people that they have the balls to confront the "enemy" anytime, anywhere. So after George Bush's ambitious wars to gain support from the American people since he has never had a domestic policy to ensure himself a long lasting legacy, going to war, even a self made one, to try to achive his goal. Well, he has lost that attempt in Iraq, so now it is Israel new leaders turn, to show his people, that he can be just as ruthless as Sharon was, and can join hand in hand with his "Partner in Crime" Bush, to create another war with the Arab countries, to once again, try to earn their legacy.

The criminal acts against humanity by these gutless leaders, who fight a war from a distance at the expence of their poor citizens, who join the military due to lack of prospect for their future, end up taking lives, and in return give theirs, so that some people can be proud of their leaders, to what they have achieved. When Bush, Cheyney, Rice, Rumsfeld, Blair and others fly into Baghdad, in the cover of darkness in top secrecy, to visit the troops for couple of hours, and then fly out faster than they flew in, shows their cowardly acts.

[Freddy]

Kifeas, I did not say who was responsible for the Coup other than it being instigated from the mainland. As far as who was firing, it was both sides, one against the other: the basis of my point being that GC mainly blame TC for their lost/missing but never any mention or acceptance that GC were killing GC! Anyway, I do not care what anybody says, we witnessed attrocities, which was filmed and photographed. I shall say no more!!

[Kifeas]

Kifeas, I did not say who was responsible for the Coup other than it being instigated from the mainland. As far as who was firing, it was both sides, one against the other: the basis of my point being that GC mainly blame TC for their lost/missing but never any mention or acceptance that GC were killing GC! Anyway, I do not care what anybody says, we witnessed attrocities, which was filmed and photographed. I shall say no more!!

And under what authority you are able to claim that we do not also blame the coupists and the "Greek" junta for their share of crimes they committed in Cyprus during the coup period? Are you in the position to read, listen and understand the GC press, media and other activities of the society, and you have concluded that it is indeed a fact that we choose to hide?

[miltiades]

Cypezokyli , this is what I said and stand by this.

"I support the right of Israel to exist , I support the right of the Palestinians to have their own nation , and I condemn the actions of suicide killers that not only kill innocent civilians but their actions ensure the continuation of the intense hatred that is the axis of today's horrific events in the M,East. "

Israel will not stand still and allow these primitive warriors thrust their rockers and gun fire indiscriminately at Israeli cities. The Party Of God braves , entered Israel killed 6 soldiers and abducted 2. A fact.
What the f..k did any one think the Jews would do .Not retaliate ? Every one knows , at least everyone with any f..ng brain knows that Israel does not succumb to attacks without retaliation. They fought 5 wars since 48/49 , and their record is there for all to see. Hezbollah however underestimated the Israelites response.

Hezbollah along with Hamas have to decide whether is peace that they pursue or war.Israel is not going to go away .They have to amend their manifestos and remove their number one objective that of wiping Israel off the map.

In case you misunderstand the Western World concept , it consists of all of Europe , including your country of residence , our Cyprus , all of Cyprus as well as New Zealand Australia Canada , Japan and many more democratic nations , including Turkey .

I Believe that this is unfortunately only the beginning and many more innocents will become the victims of extremism , hatred , nationalism and religion. Same old story continuing.

[cypezokyli]

since you insist of one sided condemnation of violence then i should continue informing you :

1. are you familiar that one out of three libanese casualties are children ?

2. do you know that today the israelis even bombarded christian neighborhoods in lebanon ? does hizpollah also have christian members ?

3. are you familiar with the Secratarys General of the United Nationd statement ? he asked for a complete ceasefire. i am sorry to brake your bubble but the only "western" nation that opposes this , is the USA. i hope you are familiar with the fact that the western world has TWO DIFEERENT opinions on the topic

4. are you familiar with the fact that israel today refused to ms theoharous (a member of the cyprus parliament , and president of the doctors of the world in cyprus) to enter gaza ? she went there with as a child - cheirourgist , and brought with her medicine for the people at gaza. the israelis did not allow her to bring HUMANITARIAN help, and now she with the rest of the cyprus team will go to lebanon.

5. are you familiar which other authoritative, dictatoric , fascistic country after east germany has build up a wall to have the people splitted into two ?

if the above are the characteristics of a "western" state , then i am sorry but i dont want ot be part of it.
i am glad that the country i live in pocessess other charecteristics that i call western.


btw, erdogan asked today to enter iraq in order to deal with PKK. he used exactly the same arguments as the israelis are using. i hope you dont have sth against it , bc you will end up contradicting yourself

[cypezokyli]

i would also like to remind you what we learn in school about what concequences such form of violence against "terrorists" brings.

it is the most famous verces of our national (cypriot) poem.
it starts like this " amma xere pos...."

violence ,as our national poet reminds us , will only bring even more violence

[MR-from-NG]

violence ,as our national poet reminds us , will only bring even more violence

If we were to judge the GC's on the events of 63-74 we would think nobody ever read this poor poet's poems.

[miltiades]

Cypezokyli , you have the misconception that Israel is hell bent on killing civilians and children , this could not be further from the truth .In its quest to establish secure borders for its citizens it feels that the " enemy " must be pushed back and their leadership destroyed. You mention the United nations are calling for a ceasefire , has their ever been a conflict in the world that the United Nations called for the continuation of the conflict. Of course not .
Let me just answer some of your points here.
1. Inevitably in any conflict innocent people will be killed , including children. I consider the killing of innocent people to be the most horrendous and despicable act regardless who the perpetrators are.Unfortunately , war is the culprit here because that is what war does it kills and maims innocent little lives.So let us see why this beast , the war that is , is happening.
The Hezbollah doctrine to wipe out Israel is the fuse that lights the bomb that starts the war that innocent people die.
2.Why do you think Christian areas were targeted , do you think the intention was to kill innocent Christians or indeed innocent Muslims or was it that it was intended to strike at Hezbollah.
3. Humanitarian aid must be permitted during conflicts , as per the Geneva convention.
4. Which nation now is the dictatorial or the fascist. Trying to stop the shit from heating the fan and killing innocents indiscriminately you consider democratic.Look , let me spell it out .I hate with every drop of my blood the act of suicide intended to cause as many deaths as possible and I dont give a monkeys whether you or any other misguided human considers this barbaric disgusting act as justifiable.

[cypezokyli]

1. we have a fundamental disagreement here . i believe those victims would have been spared, had israel not attacked lebanon so blindly. i am really sorry you can tolerate that , but i cannot. when a kid dies, irrespective of who and how killed it , its murder. and i cannot forgive it.

2. do you honestly think , they are only attacking hizpollah . i will ask you again , which tv station or newspaper are you reading ?

3. but humanitarian aid is not permited. HAVENT YOU NOTICED?

Geneva convention!!!! you found the perfect state as an example.
thats the last thing i expected to listen.

The UN General Assembly has adopted a number of non-binding resolutions condemning Israeli settlements, and calling for a convening of the signatory nations of the Fourth Geneva Convention. In February 1999 the GA adopted a resolution calling for a special UN session to be held on July 15, 1999 in Geneva to examine "persistent violations" by Israel.....International efforts led by the United States were successful in scaling down a special UN meeting in Geneva held on July 15, 1999. ....In April 1999 the UN Human Rights Commission in Geneva passed a resolution, sponsored by the Arab bloc with European support (oops , these are westernrs) , which called for Palestinian self-determination on the basis of UN Resolution 181-only Israel and the United States (surprise surprise) did not vote in favor of the Resolution.....

Now , take a wild guess why such resolutions are adopted by the GA , and not by the Security Council.
Only a violator of human rights would prevent such resolutions to be accepted also by the SC , isnt it ?
i guess it was China , bc it is not possible that it was the US, was it ?


4. why are you so stuck on the suicide , when the outcome is exactly the same. children die. and israel kills more children.

[miltiades]

Go join the Hezbollah , you sound like them , but do be careful , I still don't know if you are male or female , you see in the Hezbollah world females are second rate .
I watch CNN , SKY and BBC , but when I have had a few glasses of wine and want to have a lough I watch CY BC.

I consider "suicide " murderers as the criteria of measuring a nation's , or an ideology's civilization.
And the perpetrators of this monstrosity are worthless human beings that if it wasn't for the carnage they cause by their actions I would say good riddance let there be more.

You really annoy me when you draw parallels with suicide actions and other actions that also lead to death and destruction. You just cant get it can you,. A soldier that goes to war has a duty to perform , to kill the enemy. A fucking suicide killer goes to war to kill any fucker who happens to be there , cant you not get the difference. They bombed London , some people lost some one close to them who were innocent but just happened to be there , cant you see the f..ing difference.
You cyperzokyli is so typical of the Cypriot who bites the hand that feeds him. Well let me just say it again.
Long live America , long may she continue to be the superpower in the world, and Cyprus doesn't belong to the American haters only i t bloody well belongs to me too , and I love the Western world and I'm proud to be part of it.