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[miltiades]

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Hezbollah.
Hezbollah has sent more than 600 rockets into Israel not aimed at the infra structure or military targets , but true to their form just aimed at Israel. Many many innocent children have lost their lives in Lebanon and no one can justify such horrendous actions. Israel bears responsibility in the death of so many innocents , Can you however imagine how many more innocents would now be dead if Israel did what Hezbollah are doing and blindly target Beirut , and other cities of Lebanon.

[Freddy]

Miltiades,
Firstly: Suggestion - you should give up dealing with sicko Cypezok>
Secondly: A few historical facts - Prior to retiring to the island I spent numerous years here, 1960-65, 1973-76, 1981-83 and 1986-91 During the coup (instigated by mainland Greeks) my family and I were living in Limassol. After the first eight days of chaos on-island, 24 hour curfew etc, I was allowed to leave Akrotiri and to visit my family who were stuck in town. The house was peppered with bullet holes caused by both sides firing anywhere! We lived near a stadium and my wife mentioned that it appeared that the stadium was being used as a prison: that very night we heard loud explosions - the guardians of these prisoners were firing directly into the stadium! We saw MANY dead! No doubt listed later as some of the MISSING!! Later, after the invasion, we offered evidence of such incidents to the GC Govt - they were not interested!
Thirdly: Something that has always bemused me - Mainland Greeks have only every created misery for Cyprus yet GC continue to fly the Greek flag!
Finally: An opinion - I am not pro Israeli or pro-Arab but, the Jews stole the Arab land, the Arabs have lived elsewhere in continuous poverty whilst the Jews have been backed by the USA, no matter the attrocities the Jews commit! You should go to Larnaca and speak with the so called refugees, I have: no matter their nationality they have nothing good to say about Israel!

[cypezokyli]

Firstly: Suggestion - you should give up dealing with sicko Cypezok>

thank you

[cypezokyli]

Miltiades,
Firstly: Suggestion - you should give up dealing with sicko Cypezok>
Secondly: A few historical facts - Prior to retiring to the island I spent numerous years here, 1960-65, 1973-76, 1981-83 and 1986-91 During the coup (instigated by mainland Greeks) my family and I were living in Limassol. After the first eight days of chaos on-island, 24 hour curfew etc, I was allowed to leave Akrotiri and to visit my family who were stuck in town. The house was peppered with bullet holes caused by both sides firing anywhere! We lived near a stadium and my wife mentioned that it appeared that the stadium was being used as a prison: that very night we heard loud explosions - the guardians of these prisoners were firing directly into the stadium! We saw MANY dead! No doubt listed later as some of the MISSING!! Later, after the invasion, we offered evidence of such incidents to the GC Govt - they were not interested!
Thirdly: Something that has always bemused me - Mainland Greeks have only every created misery for Cyprus yet GC continue to fly the Greek flag!
Finally: An opinion - I am not pro Israeli or pro-Arab but, the Jews stole the Arab land, the Arabs have lived elsewhere in continuous poverty whilst the Jews have been backed by the USA, no matter the attrocities the Jews commit! You should go to Larnaca and speak with the so called refugees, I have: no matter their nationality they have nothing good to say about Israel!

despite your nice comments
and the irrelevant to the point we are discussing experiences , you are right. info about the missing persons has been ignored. its in the news today
http://www.politis-news.com/cgibin/hweb ... V=articles

[Kifeas]

Miltiades,
Firstly: Suggestion - you should give up dealing with sicko Cypezok>
Secondly: A few historical facts - Prior to retiring to the island I spent numerous years here, 1960-65, 1973-76, 1981-83 and 1986-91 During the coup (instigated by mainland Greeks) my family and I were living in Limassol. After the first eight days of chaos on-island, 24 hour curfew etc, I was allowed to leave Akrotiri and to visit my family who were stuck in town. The house was peppered with bullet holes caused by both sides firing anywhere! We lived near a stadium and my wife mentioned that it appeared that the stadium was being used as a prison: that very night we heard loud explosions - the guardians of these prisoners were firing directly into the stadium! We saw MANY dead! No doubt listed later as some of the MISSING!! Later, after the invasion, we offered evidence of such incidents to the GC Govt - they were not interested!
Thirdly: Something that has always bemused me - Mainland Greeks have only every created misery for Cyprus yet GC continue to fly the Greek flag!
Finally: An opinion - I am not pro Israeli or pro-Arab but, the Jews stole the Arab land, the Arabs have lived elsewhere in continuous poverty whilst the Jews have been backed by the USA, no matter the attrocities the Jews commit! You should go to Larnaca and speak with the so called refugees, I have: no matter their nationality they have nothing good to say about Israel!

The fact that someone has experience certain events of the past, doesn't mean that he can also properly relate to them and comprehend them adequately.

First of all which are the two sides that you are talking about that were firing bullets?

Second, perhaps you should know that the "Greek" junta that instigated the coup against Makarios was a fascist military regime that established itself in Athens we the CIA shoulders and ruled Greece for seven years with totally undemocratic means. This caused the fleeing of nearly all the Greek intellectuals, artists, and political personalities of the country outside Greece's boarders (or in prisons over dry islands in the Aegean) and which during the period of the regimes reign were all fighting against the collapse of the regime and its condemnation in all international forums, managing also to cause Greece's expulsion from the council of Europe. The regime would have entirely collapse soon after the take over of power in Greece, had it did not receive the backing of the CIA.

Therefore, when you talk about the events of this period, it is very pathetic to equate the junta role with the Greek people and the country as a whole, and an insult to all those Greek people that fought this regime, inside and outside the country, and which were after all been betrayed by their hypothetical American powerful allies that secretly backed it against the wish of the majority of the people of the country.

[cypezokyli]

kifeas , i hope you underatnd that you are accusing the greatest western civilized power , of actions completely undemocratic !!!

this is one of the things that the US couldnot possibly do. its agaisnt their principles...

[miltiades]

Had it not been for America we would either be under the Nazis or the Soviets working our arse out so that Politburo members would have the luxuries that they felt deserved.
I agree with Freddie on the Arab land issue , and I think the Israelites should make a greater effort to achieve peace with their neighbours but it is difficult when one section , ie Hezbollah , and Hamas , have as their agenda the destruction of the state of Israel. Coupled with the Theocratic state of Iran and their President's remarks on annihilating Israel , there is not much chance of peace in the region.

I have said that many times and will say it again .Show me a nation on this earth where Religion flourishes and intertwines with every day life and I will show you a nation in conflict . It will continue for as long as religion plays a major part in any nations day by day life.

[cypezokyli]

miltiades , do you know the difference between a state and a non-state actor ?
israel is attacking a state , its civilians and its infrustructure , bc a non-state actor has captured two of its soldiers.
its like saying that england had the right after every attack of the IRA, to bomb dublin.

according to the BBC today, israels action could be proved illegal , according to the charter of the UN. but who cares about the UN ? dont forget that half of their member are uncivilized , not to mention the secretary general himself , he is also from an uncivilized country , so why should israel listen to them ? they have the support of the more civilized (ahem***the strongest***) so its already enough.

ofcource israel cannot be taken to court since it doesnt recognise the geneva convention , nor it is a member of the ICJ. by the way the US also refuced to accept the international criminal court.... i wonder why
you take a wild guess.

as for victory over hizpollah....
israel is ofcource in a position to defeat hizpollah , but the more civilian casualties it causes the more it gives hizpollah soldiers. one doesnot need to read many history books to find that out. if a peaceful peacent saw his child dying from an israel attack it is only natural that he would seek for revenge. even if they destroy the military capabilities of hizpollah , they are creating enough hate , to create a new organisation against them.

[miltiades]

The Non state actor as you call Hizbollah happens to be part pf the Lebanese Government , that has given sanctuary to this terrorist cell for many many years . The charter of Hezbollah calls for the destruction of the state of Israel , again you are , as usual , making analogies that are totally irrelevant. The IRA did not have seats in the Government of the RoI and it was not operating from the Irish Republic .The hatred will go on and and on and on.You will never eradicate the immense hatred that exists between the Arabs and the Jews . I support the right of Israel to exist , I support the right of the Palestinians to have their own nation , and I condemn the actions of suicide killers that not only kill innocent civilians but their actions ensure the continuation of the intense hatred that is the axis of todays horrific events in the M,East.

Cyoezokyli , something tells me this is just the beginning. Worst is to come .

[cypezokyli]

. I support the right of Israel to exist , I support the right of the Palestinians to have their own nation , and I condemn the actions of suicide killers that not only kill innocent civilians but their actions ensure the continuation of the intense hatred that is the axis of todays horrific events in the M,East.

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thats were our whole disagreement lies.
i full agree with what the above sentence but it only misses one small sentence. from my point of view :

I support the right of Israel to exist , I support the right of the Palestinians to have their own nation , and I condemn the actions of suicide killers and the state of israel that not only kill innocent civilians but their actions ensure the continuation of the intense hatred that is the axis of todays horrific events in the M,East

if you can add those small 5 words in your sentence , then we have an agreement. so long they are not there , i will not stop bringing up the crimes of israel (or the US)

condemnation of all forms of violence (not selective)

Cyoezokyli , something tells me this is just the beginning. Worst is to come .

i am afraid that as well