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[Alexios]

Of course its wrong Bir.But the question is what can one do? There are obviously many speculative buyers out there who are willing to take a risk.This is what the ROC present government fails to see or pretends not to see. Only a speedy solution to the Cyprus problem will put an end to this.Otherwise in 20 years G/C refugees will have nothing to return to.I am sorry to have to admit this but this is the reality of the case.

[macketterry]

I read an interview online the other day with one expat settler in the North.He had been living there for about 7 years and he said he brought it for 50,000 pounds.But the interesting thing he said was that HE DIDNT HAVE THE TITLE DEED TO THE LAND.HE ONLY BOUGHT THE HOUSE ON THE LAND...Does anyone know if this is true?He was saying that as far as he was concerned had he lived in England he would've paid more than that in rent.He sounded very pleased with himself.

Those of you who don't see anything wrong with what is going on,look at the big picture.Someone who is not even a Cypriot can come and live cheaply in the North,in a house built on land taken by force of arms from its rightful owner.While the profits of this action goes to someone(or more likely a chain of someones) who was not the legal owner of the land,while the real owner is waiting in exile for some sort of justice,and have been waiting for more than 30 years.
You can bath it in rose water,but it will still come out smelling to high heaven.Don't try to tell me there is honour among thieves.What is happening is highway robbery.It is despicable.
And don't tell me about the plight of TC refugees from the South,I know all about that,I am one.It still doesn't make it right.

This 'despicable' action is what is putting food on the plates of TCs in the north, Birkibrisli. Without this modest injection of cash they would be much worse off. You are obviously highly principled but unfortunately you cannot operate in a vacuum in the real world.

The real culprits here are the boneheaded people of the island and their unscrupulous leaders who are too psychologically constipated to organise a solution. All of this lashing out at a few foreigners who have bought 0.1% (that's all!!!) of the island is a total red herring and a classic bit of buck passing. This is the REAL big picture.

[BirKibrisli]

I read an interview online the other day with one expat settler in the North.He had been living there for about 7 years and he said he brought it for 50,000 pounds.But the interesting thing he said was that HE DIDNT HAVE THE TITLE DEED TO THE LAND.HE ONLY BOUGHT THE HOUSE ON THE LAND...Does anyone know if this is true?He was saying that as far as he was concerned had he lived in England he would've paid more than that in rent.He sounded very pleased with himself.

Those of you who don't see anything wrong with what is going on,look at the big picture.Someone who is not even a Cypriot can come and live cheaply in the North,in a house built on land taken by force of arms from its rightful owner.While the profits of this action goes to someone(or more likely a chain of someones) who was not the legal owner of the land,while the real owner is waiting in exile for some sort of justice,and have been waiting for more than 30 years.
You can bath it in rose water,but it will still come out smelling to high heaven.Don't try to tell me there is honour among thieves.What is happening is highway robbery.It is despicable.
And don't tell me about the plight of TC refugees from the South,I know all about that,I am one.It still doesn't make it right.

This 'despicable' action is what is putting food on the plates of TCs in the north, Birkibrisli. Without this modest injection of cash they would be much worse off. You are obviously highly principled but unfortunately you cannot operate in a vacuum in the real world.

The real culprits here are the boneheaded people of the island and their unscrupulous leaders who are too psychologically constipated to organise a solution. All of this lashing out at a few foreigners who have bought 0.1% (that's all!!!) of the island is a total red herring and a classic bit of buck passing. This is the REAL big picture.

Hi,there ,mackie.
We can't keep rubbing salt in the GC refugees wounds,mate,and hope they will start talking to us about a just settlement.
Have you not heard of that Englishman(his name escapes me now,but you are sure to remember if you live there) who collected 10 million pounds from hundreds of people in the TRNC(selling them real estate off the map) and disappeared?Some say off to Thailand.How is that putting food on the plates of TCs?Most of the labour used at these development sites come from turkey,usually illegal workers exploited by these robbers.How is that putting food on TC plates?The whole argument is a joke,and you too will see it when you remove your blinkers and look around you.

[BirKibrisli]

Of course its wrong Bir.But the question is what can one do? There are obviously many speculative buyers out there who are willing to take a risk.This is what the ROC present government fails to see or pretends not to see. Only a speedy solution to the Cyprus problem will put an end to this.Otherwise in 20 years G/C refugees will have nothing to return to.I am sorry to have to admit this but this is the reality of the case.

You are right,Alexios.
It just pisses me off so much sometimes,people trying to justify the unjustifiable.It is so frustrating to know that global capitalism and free trade nonsense is sucking the Cypriot people's blood,and our so called leaders are trying to score political points off each other.Noone seems to give a shite about the plight of the Cypriot refugees.I will always refuse to blame the victims of this conflict,the Cypriots.I don't know enough about the GC politics to comment,but in the North the leaders elected do not reflect the free will of the people.Turkey has totally manipulated the situation to rob the TCs even of an effective opposition.People are starting to wish that Denktash was still there,at least he stood up to Turkey on some things.Talat is turning into a total puppet,much to the chagrine of decent TCs.

[Viewpoint]

What about all the other building materials sellers, carpenters, window makers, roofers etc and etc are they all from Turkey as well? Even the settlers have to eat, so some of their earnings gets pumped back into the economy. You are dilluding yourself thinking that the construction boom has not put food on the plates of many people both local and from abroad.
Even GCs are forming partnerships with TCs to build and sell homes in the north, money knows no bounds or waits for paralyzed politicans to get to negotiating a solution.

[Alexios]

Just imagine what would happen after a solution in a secure invironment...Even if the settlers return they would be brought back in to work..unless in the north developers would prefer Sri Lankans also..)))

[zan]

Just imagine what would happen after a solution in a secure invironment...Even if the settlers return they would be brought back in to work..unless in the north developers would prefer Sri Lankans also..)))

More human tragedy will ensue. How will they read our menus.

[macketterry]

Viewpoint's right, Birkibrisli. Yes, as in all capitalist society's 80% of the wealth is held by 20% of the people but that doesn't mean that a lot of that money doesn't trickle down - it does! Take a look around the north and see the new roads, pavements, cars, shops, restaurants, hotels etc - there is money in the economy - and it is coming from the evil, baby-eating foreigners.

Maybe I'm wrong (and you can shoot me down if I am) but it seems that yours and many others' real problem is envy.

I've lost count of the number of lefty hippies who sell out their principles if they can a piece of the capitalist pie for themselves.

[Kifeas]

you really think that we can reject anan plan for 100 years?

try to reduce your arrogance and see how the rest of the world see us.
we are moving towards partition and even if the orams loose, that will not solve the problem.
only by negotiating we can solve it.

What is your point here? The man said the obvious! There is no relationship between accepting or not any proposal for a political settlement of any problem, and an individual's legal human right to his own property. Where did you see the arrogance in his very accurate suggestion? In fact, this is exactly the approach that is been taken by the ECHR’s and the Council of Europe in the cases of Loizidou vs. Turkey and more importantly in the case of Aresti Vs. Turkey, in which Turkey tried to make use of the fact the GC side had rejected the Annan plan as a defence argument, but the court had thrown out such a claim as a non valid one. Why don't you think a little bit before you say something?

[cypezokyli]

Why don't you think a little bit before you say something?

thanks...once again

kifeas wrote :

What is your point here? The man said the obvious! There is no relationship between accepting or not any proposal for a political settlement of any problem, and an individual's legal human right to his own property.

cypezokyli wrote:
you really think that we can reject anan plan for 100 years?

try to reduce your arrogance and see how the rest of the world see us.
we are moving towards partition and even if the orams loose, that will not solve the problem.
only by negotiating we can solve it.

perhaps, i wrote that there is a relationship between the two but i cannot see it on the screen of my computer

since you can...
lets try once again.
point one : ofcource the gc can go to courts irrespective of their decision on the annan plan.
point two : we cannot reject plans for 100 years. we can already see the difference by rejecting the only one.
point three : even if the gc wins (which i also wish) that will NOT solve the problem. the solution of the problem lies in the negotiations we are not doing.