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macketterry I applaud your viewpoint, this is what the GCs are having problems seeing and accepting, rather than throwing mud at all and sundry they should concentrate more on making their own government sit down and solve the overall problem. These individual witch hunts will only work against them and drive both communities further and further apart. As you say at this stage there does not seem to be any likelihood of a solution so what happens do we all wait in limbo for the GCs to wake up to the fact that they have to face realities and negotiate for what they want. Havent they noticed the dangerous game they are playing and the effect the result of this case will have on property development in the north if they lose this case? Even if they win the TCs will move further away from any desire to unite with people who cannot see the wood for the trees.

[cypezokyli]

hey people, dont shoot the messanger.

he never said that they didnt know it. he just said that the people who buy land in the north are willing to take the risk. if one takes a risk there are always concequences either positive or negative. if the orams loose..negative.

even though the example with the indians was kind of out of place, mackettery.

[macketterry]

And what's wrong with being opportunistic? Are you not opportunistic? Aren't all human beings? Imagine if someone was in bad debt and needed to sell their house immediately - would you offer them the market price or would you try and opportunistically get the best price for yourself?

These foreign buyers have not negatively affected the chance for a solution - the Cypriots did that when they rejected the UN plan in April 2004.

Now, because of their inbred, bigoted tribal politics and their third world political leaders they are about to come up against the real world and be forced to wake up and negotiate.

By making these comments you're being either disingenuous, very naive, stupid or you think everybody else is stupid to the point of being arrogant yourself.

Presumably anybody with enough brain cells to sign their name would make some checks before buying property in a foreign country, they'd get their solicitors to make a LOT of checks even in their native countries, would it take a very high level of intelligence to check with the British Foreign Office (or that of whatever country you're from).

30 seconds on the internet could get you to the British High Commision in Nicosia's web site, where you'd find the following:

Property issues are closely linked to the political situation. There are a number of potential practical, financial and legal implications, particularly for those considering buying property in the north - these relate to the non-recognition of the "Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus", the possibility of a future political settlement in Cyprus, and claims to ownership from people displaced in 1974. There is also a risk that purchasers would face legal proceedings in the courts of the Republic of Cyprus, as well as attempts to enforce judgments from the courts of the Republic of Cyprus elsewhere in the EU, including the UK. Separately, the administration in the north imposes specific rules for foreigners purchasing property in the north including the requirement to obtain consent to transfer of property, and you should ensure you are fully aware of these.

And lets face it, we all know there's no such thing as a free lunch...

Not quite sure what your point is here, Mr Taxi Driver, because everyone knows there is a dispute about ownership - what they don't believe is that they are depriving anybody of anything because it has been 32 years since Greeks lived in the north and by the looks of things it will be another 32 years before anybody with any real maturity and vision comes to power to lead their people to a sensible compromise.

[TheCabbie]

My point is that you haven't got a leg to stand on, the Greeks Cypriots can reject Annan plan after Annan plan for the next 100 years (and in one respect I agree with you that they are pig headed enough to do so) and while doing it take the buyers of property in the North to courts all over Europe.

However until there's a settlement I've got NO sympathy with the expats in the North who buy cheap property.

[cypezokyli]

you really think that we can reject anan plan for 100 years?

try to reduce your arrogance and see how the rest of the world see us.
we are moving towards partition and even if the orams loose, that will not solve the problem.
only by negotiating we can solve it.

[macketterry]

Legal battles all over the place for the next ten or twenty years involving governments, thousands of Turks, Turkish Cypriots, Greek Cypriots and other EU citizens? Sounds like great fun and guaranteed to make everybody eager to live with eachother in peace and harmony.

Why bother with stupid things like negotiations and compromise when you can drag people through the courts for years and years? Great idea! Bring it on! Why not have a small armed conflict too just for good measure?

[TheCabbie]

you really think that we can reject anan plan for 100 years?

try to reduce your arrogance and see how the rest of the world see us.
we are moving towards partition and even if the orams loose, that will not solve the problem.
only by negotiating we can solve it.

My arrogance?...I was for the Annan plan!

I really wish the GC side would see another point of view, perhaps the problem could be solved then, until such time though, the GCs are within their rights to take cases such as the Orams to court, wherever that court might be.
We cannot "move" towards partition, we could agree on it though...

[zan]

Legal battles all over the place for the next ten or twenty years involving governments, thousands of Turks, Turkish Cypriots, Greek Cypriots and other EU citizens? Sounds like great fun and guaranteed to make everybody eager to live with eachother in peace and harmony.

Why bother with stupid things like negotiations and compromise when you can drag people through the courts for years and years? Great idea! Bring it on! Why not have a small armed conflict too just for good measure?

And what about what the world thinks of us right now and if these people are dragged through the courts, what is that going to do to future sales and tourism. Would they be able to ever trust us again? If any side tries to separate them selves from this mess I think they are just farting in the wind. We can unite and live isolated on an island ALONE.

[BirKibrisli]

I read an interview online the other day with one expat settler in the North.He had been living there for about 7 years and he said he brought it for 50,000 pounds.But the interesting thing he said was that HE DIDNT HAVE THE TITLE DEED TO THE LAND.HE ONLY BOUGHT THE HOUSE ON THE LAND...Does anyone know if this is true?He was saying that as far as he was concerned had he lived in England he would've paid more than that in rent.He sounded very pleased with himself.

Those of you who don't see anything wrong with what is going on,look at the big picture.Someone who is not even a Cypriot can come and live cheaply in the North,in a house built on land taken by force of arms from its rightful owner.While the profits of this action goes to someone(or more likely a chain of someones) who was not the legal owner of the land,while the real owner is waiting in exile for some sort of justice,and have been waiting for more than 30 years.
You can bath it in rose water,but it will still come out smelling to high heaven.Don't try to tell me there is honour among thieves.What is happening is highway robbery.It is despicable.
And don't tell me about the plight of TC refugees from the South,I know all about that,I am one.It still doesn't make it right.

[zan]

I for one am not excusing any of this as legal or otherwise, I just see it as part of the whole great mess that we call Cyprus.