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[sadik]

I saw no comments here about the new process that has been initiated in order to solve the Cyprus problem. Actually we had very interesting and unexpected development over the weekend.

* Talat-Papadopoulos have confirmed the basis of a solution will be a bizonal,bicommunal federation based on political equality.
* Technical commities will be formed to discuss issues of substance as well as issues related to the daily lives of both communities
* Leaders will stop the blame game against each other. Kind of a siezefire between Papadopoulos and Talat.
* Leaders will meet occasionally to discuss issues

I feel that it's very important that the process has finally started. However this process might be dangerous for both sides, because once it gets started it might be very difficult to stop it, such as in the Annan Plan period. Annan Plan process could only be stopped in a referandum, even though both sides tried to escape many times during the negotiations. It's also impossible to tell where such a process will lead us and which side will be facing the international pressure. And that's probably why it took so long for the sides to accept to get together.

What do you think about this? Is it likely that we'll get a result this time?

[Socrates]

I don’t believe what there will be any result from that try and if the TC side is smart enough to let as block this process again then the division will be the only solution.

Our part has to change her propaganda and the deionization of the Anan plan because the only two things we have in front of as is:

1 bizonal,bicommunal federation

2 division

We can keep craping our self’s about the conspiracy’s but the reality will over pass us like a train.

[Kifeas]

* Talat-Papadopoulos have confirmed the basis of a solution will be a bizonal,bicommunal federation based on political equality.

You forgot to add "...as it was defined in the UN SC resolutions."

* Technical commities will be formed to discuss issues of substance as well as issues related to the daily lives of both communities

This was true only until last Sunday. On Monday (yesterday,) Turkish foreign ministry expressed their position that they are against the handling of the substantive issues on the Cyprus problem within the context of technical committees. Instead, the FM spokesman said, Turkey wants these issues to be negotiated within the framework of the Annan Plan.

http://www.ntvmsnbc.com.tr/news/379414.asp

What do you think about this? Is it likely that we'll get a result this time?

Nothing will happen! Talat cannot negotiate anything alone, on behalf of the TC community!

[Piratis]

A total waste of time. It is now proven that Cyprus can not be liberated with negotiations.

[Socrates]

It is now proven that Cyprus can not be liberated with negotiations.

This is what these nationalistic toppouzoi are dreaming?

A war maybe?

They are so stupid they can even realize what people like them were destroyed us are and they keep our glorious past. They are true toppouzo patriots.

The more intelligent of them (less stupid) like Kifeas dreaming what Turkey will be stupid enough to block the negotiation but there is no such chance. We have earned the gold metal of stupidity and we will earn it another one time if we keep this brainwash situation.

Now our stupid politicians say what they will not accept Mpraiza if he will visit Talat and we have did the same with Straw but we didn’t do the same for a big number of European politicians were visit Talat and we didn’t did the same when Greek politician (Benaki) were visit Talat.

They are just playing with the minds of stupids to keep them in their nightmare to have some one to blame for our mistakes. Anti-American AntiUK but we didn’t do the same with Europeans and Greeks. We are a cartoon show and our stupidity is obvious to anyone.

[Piratis]

So those that fought to liberate Europe from the Nazis were "nationalists"?

And if that is the case what are those that collaborate with the foreign invaders like you called? I believe the word is traitors.

I didn't say that a war should happen now. I said that negotiations have failed, which is a fact.

Now we should concentrate on the EU accession process of Turkey. Turkey should either make concessions or suffer her first important loss due to her insistence of occupying part of our country.

[Simon]

So let me get this straight, is it now true to say that the technical committee will not discuss substantive issues because Turkey has overruled Talat? Does this kill the process before it has even started?

If this is the case, what is the point of talking to Talat, we might as well just talk to Turkey direct. Ridiculous!

(If I have misunderstood, I apologise in advance).

[reportfromcyprus]

The gold medal in stupidity, it has a ring to it

Out of curiosity and because the people in this forum are very well informed; what legal grounds did Turkey use to invade Cyprus? Does anyone know if they've ever claimed any actual legal grounds (international legal grounds) to start a war?

[Socrates]

Piratis you can call me a traitor and I can call you a stupid and I have strong arguments to support that and you are just farting in the air.

What ever they said (Turkey) they will never block the UN process there is not such chance they just pushing their positions to earn negotiation power.

They will block the UN process only if their accession to Europe fails.

[Piratis]

They used the treaty of guarantee as an excuse. But as you can see this was just an excuse since they didn't do what they were supposed to do according to the treaty but on the contrary they have violated it in the worst possible way.

TREATY OF GUARANTEE

The Republic of Cyprus of the one part, and Greece, the United Kingdom and Turkey of the other part:

I.. Considering that the recognition and maintenance of the independence, territorial integrity and security of the Republic of Cyprus, as established and regulated by the basic articles of its Constitution, are in their common interest;

II. Desiring to co-operate to ensure that the provisions of the aforesaid Constitution shall be respected;

Have agreed as follows:

Article 1

The Republic of Cyprus undertakes to ensure the maintenance of its independence, territorial integrity and security, as well as respect for its Constitution. It undertakes not to participate, in whole or in part, in any political or economic union with any State whatsoever. With this intent it prohibits all activity tending to promote directly or indirectly either union or partition of the Island.

Article 2

Greece, the United Kingdom and Turkey, taking note of the undertakings by the Republic of Cyprus embodied in Article I, recognise and guarantee the independence, territorial integrity and security of the Republic of Cyprus and also the provisions of the basic articles of its Constitution. They likewise undertake to prohibit, as far as lies within their power, all activity having the object of promoting directly or indirectly either the union of the Republic of Cyprus with any other State, or the partition of the Island.

Article 3

In the event of any breach of the provisions of the present Treaty, Greece, the United Kingdom, and Turkey undertake to consult together, with a view to making representations, or taking the necessary steps to ensure observance of those provisions. In so far as common or concerted action may prove impossible, each of the three guaranteeing Powers reserves the right to take action with the sole aim of re-establishing the state of affairs established by the present Treaty.

Article 4

The present Treaty shall enter into force on signature. The High Contracting Parties undertake to register the present Treaty at the earliest possible date with the Secretariat of the United Nations, in accordance with the provisions of Article 102 of the Charter (1).