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[Socrates]

The same stupidity again.

Makarios call them when he was speaking about the Greek invasion of Junta and he was called the guarantee powers to interfere and the NEXT DAY Turkey invent.

When the international law was broken by Greece according to Makarios speech they have the legal right to invent.

The international laws are active in piece situation.

They was have the legal right by our constitution and by international laws.

But this is not the main reason of our Gold metals this is just one of them.

[Piratis]

Socrates, whats your IQ my friend? You call everybody stupid but probably this is because you do not have the mental capacity to understand what we say. You don't even have the mental capacity to at least understand that the reason you can not understand is that your IQ is low, and not that everybody else is stupid.

Makarios of course went to the UN and talked against the coup and that action should be taken to restore legality. Is this what Turkey did? Did they have the right to kill 6000 mostly innocent people, ethnically cleanse 200.000, and occupy 1/3rd of the island?

According to the treaty of guarantee they were supposed to protect the sovereignty and legality of RoC, not to grossly violate them!

[Simon]

Socrates, are you completely stupid. Piratis even highlighted the important part, but your still too ignorant to understand. Turkey only had the right to carry out unilateral action, to uphold and re-establish the 1960 Treaty. They had absolutely no legal right to ethnically cleanse 200,000 people from north Cyprus, create a separate State and continue to occupy the country to this very day with 40,000 troops. This is forbidden by the Treaty itself.

If you cannot even understand this, then there is absolutely no point in responding to you again.

[Socrates]

Did they have the right to kill 6000 mostly innocent people, ethnically cleanse 200.000, and occupy 1/3rd of the island?

Yours IQ and specially you EQ (emotional intelligence) is to small my friend and you are run out of arguments and you just craping like always.

In a war there is chaos and in all war were illegalities this has nothing to do with the legality of the invasion.

Simon eat a pasta and go to sleep.

[Simon]

LOL, that last response Socrates says it all.

[reportfromcyprus]

There's nothing in that text that says they could use military force or occupation, and it's vague on the limits of their power.

Does anyone know if this treaty is actually still applicable? I've heard politicians talking about it but I don't know if the RoC still considers it to be in force.

[Socrates]

There's nothing in that text that says they could use military force or occupation, and it's vague on the limits of their power.

The occupation is illegal the military force was not.

Does anyone know if this treaty is actually still applicable? I've heard politicians talking about it but I don't know if the RoC still considers it to be in force.

The treaty was fine we were stupids.

There was a condition that was saying what the Guarantee powers to act in Cyprus must be an agreement of the tree (UK G T).

Then treaty was broken according to Makarios by the Greek side.

So this treaty was very nice for our barbaric communities.

Turkey couldn’t invent in 63 because this treaty didn’t let them.

So we were able even to kill TC’s with the coverage of that treaty.

[sadik]

* Talat-Papadopoulos have confirmed the basis of a solution will be a bizonal,bicommunal federation based on political equality.

You forgot to add "...as it was defined in the UN SC resolutions."

Thanks for the addition.

* Technical commities will be formed to discuss issues of substance as well as issues related to the daily lives of both communities

This was true only until last Sunday. On Monday (yesterday,) Turkish foreign ministry expressed their position that they are against the handling of the substantive issues on the Cyprus problem within the context of technical committees. Instead, the FM spokesman said, Turkey wants these issues to be negotiated within the framework of the Annan Plan.

Kifeas, I just re-read the Turkish Foreign ministers and his spoke persons statement a few times. They did not say anywhere that the substantive issues will not be discussed in the commitees. They said that they they support Talat, who says the issues of substance will be discussed together with daily matters. They also say that the issue of troop withdrawal and return of Varosha (before a solution) will not be discussed in these commitees. I understand that they have already accepted to discuss the rest of the issues in commitees. The Turkish side is still making references to the Annan plan for various reasons, but it's clear that individual issues will be discussed.

[Kifeas]

* Talat-Papadopoulos have confirmed the basis of a solution will be a bizonal,bicommunal federation based on political equality.

You forgot to add "...as it was defined in the UN SC resolutions."

Thanks for the addition.

* Technical commities will be formed to discuss issues of substance as well as issues related to the daily lives of both communities

This was true only until last Sunday. On Monday (yesterday,) Turkish foreign ministry expressed their position that they are against the handling of the substantive issues on the Cyprus problem within the context of technical committees. Instead, the FM spokesman said, Turkey wants these issues to be negotiated within the framework of the Annan Plan.

Kifeas, I just re-read the Turkish Foreign ministers and his spoke persons statement a few times. They did not say anywhere that the substantive issues will not be discussed in the commitees. They said that they they support Talat, who says the issues of substance will be discussed together with daily matters. They also say that the issue of troop withdrawal and return of Varosha (before a solution) will not be discussed in these commitees. I understand that they have already accepted to discuss the rest of the issues in commitees. The Turkish side is still making references to the Annan plan for various reasons, but it's clear that individual issues will be discussed.

Then I wonder what they are willing to discuss in the committees, if they exclude the above two in advance, especially the return of Varosha. Perhaps only the issue of direct trade? Do you know?

That basically means we will have a stalemate and a halt of the whole process, as soon as the committees are formed by the end of the month, since the two sides will not be able to agree which substantial issues they should negotiate on, and therefore also the discussion on non-sentential issues will not proceed.

[reportfromcyprus]

So what does the RoC want to achieve with new negotiations? Turkish troops out and what then? The same situation as when the original treaty was signed? Is that what the guarantor powers agree on?

Trying to understand what all sides want in this situation is like trying to nail a jelly fish to the wall, as they say...