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Akritas Plan, what was it?

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Postby Viewpoint » Fri Jul 14, 2006 11:06 am

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Of course the above words, if they were indeed spelled out by Makarios in 1962 as they appear, are indeed very tough and strong words. However, even though one may cite a few more such examples that may indicate bad intentions towards the TC community, one may also find even more examples and cases which reveal quite the opposite. If one takes the above words in isolation, then Makarios indeed had bad intentions. One should see them though within the context for the broader climate and circumstances of the times, during which the frustration and anger of the GC leadership and Makarios personally was at the highest level due to the inherent malfunctioning of the constitution and the fact that the TC leadership was appearing fully ready and determined to use every privilege given to it in order to impose its uncompromising attitude. The above words of Makarios were very wrong, but should not be taken at face value and should not be interpreted to have been indicative of his ill-intentions, but rather an outburst of his own frustration and despair during the said period, words which I am sure he did not mean and for which he must have regretted for having said.


Do you know how you sound, iit like saying 1974 should not be taken out of context it was the culmination of 11 years of frustration and persecurion at the hands of the GCs. Please save me the excuses, typical.

Two years ago, I was told a story by a TC police sergeant serving in Pafos police station during the pre-1963/64 period that now lives in Morfou, in which he described to me an incident that he personally had experienced one day during 1961 /62 when Makarios visited the Pafos police station. A small group of TC villagers from Akoursos, a remote village in Pafos mountains, decided to visit the police station (probably they knew of his visit in Pafos) and asked to see him. He was seating in the chief’s of police office and they were escorted by this TC police sergeant into the office. When they got in, they started complaining loudly that the authorities ignore and neglect them and that they have no electricity, no running water, no telephone and no proper road to their village and they can’t even send their children to school in the morning, and no one seems to listen to their pleads and their lives are so miserable, etc, etc. Makarios said to them ok, you may go back and tomorrow you will have all of them. He then asked the chief of the police to call the chiefs of all the above departments and companies to come immediately to the police station to see him. They all came within 20 minutes and got into the office with him. He started shouting and shouting and shouting while banking his shoes on the wooden floor and his stick on the table for more than 10-15 minutes, without letting them utter a word to him until they were released and left. The next day in the morning the entire work force of all the above departments started work and within 1 to 4 days they transferred electricity, water, and telephone and even widened and paved the road all the way to the village –some 10 kilometers, and then they even went and apologized to the villagers according to the person that told me the story.


What a nice little story and how convenient, do you know the one about the big bad wolf.....?
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Postby Kifeas » Fri Jul 14, 2006 11:15 am

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What a nice little story and how convenient, do you know the one about the big bad wolf.....?


No I do not know the story, nor am I interested in knowing it, neither do I wish to discuss anything with you whatsoever!
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Postby Kikapu » Fri Jul 14, 2006 11:18 am

Kifeas wrote:[ The next day in the morning the entire work force of all the above departments started work and within 1 to 4 days they transferred electricity, water, and telephone and even widened and paved the road all the way to the village –some 10 kilometers, and then they even went and apologized to the villagers according to the person that told me the story.


Well, even a broken clock is correct twice a day, so Makarios did some good things. He should have been paying attention to the newly found independence, to bring the citizens together, as to give Cyprus a new life to breath.

10 km of widened and paved road in 4 days back in 1962.??....Just think what they could have done by now, if the two communities stayed together.
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Postby Solveit » Fri Jul 14, 2006 11:24 am

Kifeas wrote: The above words of Makarios were very wrong, but should not be taken at face value and should not be interpreted to have been indicative of his ill-intentions, but rather an outburst of his own frustration and despair during the said period, words which I am sure he did not mean and for which he must have regretted for having said.

I find that statement utterly amazing!!! :shock: :shock: How clear do you need it to be!! In or out of context, how else can this statement be viewed!! It is staring you in the face man, but you still CAN'T see it can you!! Try reading it again!!

Bananiot wrote:"Makarios said: until this small Turkish community has been expelled - these representatives of the Turkish race, the dreaded enemy of all things Greek - then the work of the heroes of EOKA cannot be regarded as complete".


Yes, he may have said nice things about the TC's also. Probably because he said some things that he believed certain people wanted to hear, and then other things that echoed his true feelings and intentions.

Kifeas, read my signature!!! I feel it applies to you.

There are NONE so blind, as those that WILL NOT see!!
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Postby Viewpoint » Fri Jul 14, 2006 11:34 am

Kifeas wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:
What a nice little story and how convenient, do you know the one about the big bad wolf.....?


No I do not know the story, nor am I interested in knowing it, neither do I wish to discuss anything with you whatsoever!


You are truly amazing, you the oracle who knows everything from figures you just pluck of of the sky or where the sun dont shine to how balstic missles function and you dont know the story about the wolf tut tut Im sure you do but you just do not want to relate the Makarios to the big bad wolf, which incidently he resembled.

Luckily you do not have majority rules rights on this public forum where everyone can chose to post or not.... :wink:
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Postby Socrates » Fri Jul 14, 2006 11:42 am

Makarios was a holy man with great intentions for the both communities, it was so great man who was supporting paramilitary organizations and do everything (even sacrifice his own people) for the authority. He is so great like PapaD.
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Postby Kifeas » Fri Jul 14, 2006 1:27 pm

Solveit wrote:
Kifeas wrote: The above words of Makarios were very wrong, but should not be taken at face value and should not be interpreted to have been indicative of his ill-intentions, but rather an outburst of his own frustration and despair during the said period, words which I am sure he did not mean and for which he must have regretted for having said.

I find that statement utterly amazing!!! :shock: :shock: How clear do you need it to be!! In or out of context, how else can this statement be viewed!! It is staring you in the face man, but you still CAN'T see it can you!! Try reading it again!!

Bananiot wrote:"Makarios said: until this small Turkish community has been expelled - these representatives of the Turkish race, the dreaded enemy of all things Greek - then the work of the heroes of EOKA cannot be regarded as complete".


Yes, he may have said nice things about the TC's also. Probably because he said some things that he believed certain people wanted to hear, and then other things that echoed his true feelings and intentions.

Kifeas, read my signature!!! I feel it applies to you.

There are NONE so blind, as those that WILL NOT see!!


It is not really my intention to keep wasting my time in the forums arguing with people who do not really have anything useful and meaningful to offer and add up in the equation, and one such I find you to be! After all, your very nick name reveals your arrogance and authoritarian attitude with which you joined the forum.

Nevertheless, if you cannot accept that people in general may at times utter words which they do not really mean and which are not part of their true and real intentions but rather the outcome of frustration, anger and despair, then I am afraid your little signature applies directly and perfectly to you, first and foremost.
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Postby Socrates » Fri Jul 14, 2006 1:43 pm

It is not really my intention to keep wasting my time in the forums arguing with people who do not really have anything useful and meaningful to offer and add up in the equation, and one such I find you to be! After all, your very nick name reveals your arrogance and authoritarian attitude with which you joined the forum.

Nevertheless, if you cannot accept that people in general may at times utter words which they do not really mean and which are not part of their true and real intentions but rather the outcome of frustration, anger and despair, then I am afraid your little signature applies directly and perfectly to you, first and foremost.


Admin Kifeas have again break the limits and he actually make personal attack to a person with no arguments just to hide him self.

Solveit has not give him the right to respond with all this insults he is just saying to him what he can’t see and this is absolutely the truth.

It’s ridiculous to react with insults with out any kind of arguments.

Actually this pity kind of persons think what they are doing good to our country but is them who have destroyed us with their barbaric personality.

He is also offending us all and thing for him self and the other Taliban’s what they are doing the god work.
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Postby Kifeas » Fri Jul 14, 2006 1:52 pm

Solveit wrote:Thank you Socrates.

So it was a cunning 'under the table' long term plan to unify with Greece, and rid the island of the TC population!!

Kifeas, (and similar), what is your 'take' on the Akritas plan?


Everybody please read what the above individual claims, and then has the audacity to ask me what my "take" on the Akritas plan is. He claims that the Akritas plan was a "cunning 'under the table' long term plan to unify with Greece, and rid the island of the TC population!!" Yet, nowhere there is such a direct or indirect, profound or disguised claim, implication or even insinuation in the Akritas plan that its aim is to "rid the island of the TC population!!" Absolutely nowhere!!!

What kinds if discussions may anyone have with such a person that reads one thing and claims another, based entirely on his own prior prejudices and brainwashing?
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Postby Kifeas » Fri Jul 14, 2006 1:57 pm

Socrates wrote:
It is not really my intention to keep wasting my time in the forums arguing with people who do not really have anything useful and meaningful to offer and add up in the equation, and one such I find you to be! After all, your very nick name reveals your arrogance and authoritarian attitude with which you joined the forum.

Nevertheless, if you cannot accept that people in general may at times utter words which they do not really mean and which are not part of their true and real intentions but rather the outcome of frustration, anger and despair, then I am afraid your little signature applies directly and perfectly to you, first and foremost.


Admin Kifeas have again break the limits and he actually make personal attack to a person with no arguments just to hide him self.

Solveit has not give him the right to respond with all this insults he is just saying to him what he can’t see and this is absolutely the truth.

It’s ridiculous to react with insults with out any kind of arguments.

Actually this pity kind of persons think what they are doing good to our country but is them who have destroyed us with their barbaric personality.

He is also offending us all and thing for him self and the other Taliban’s what they are doing the god work.


It is not your fault Socrates! It is absolutely not your fault! The fault is entirely on those that let you stay in the forum right from the beginning, and thus allowed it in this way to be converted into a mad house.
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