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[Kikapu]

It has been a while since last time I read the Akritas plan, and I have now read it again, and I have to say to all those who wants to talk about Democracy and Human Rights and all the other things that are absolutely needed to have a functioning civilization in a country, that we are always reminded by Piratis the importance of all these ingredients, and yet, we have a president of the Republic of Cyprus, who was not a stranger to terroristic acts in the 1950's, but was excused, because it was in attempts to liberate the island from the British. Please don't confuse him with what Nelson Mandela or Ghandi tried to do in their country. Now he is accused of being part of the Akritas plan, and until PappaD put his right hand on the holly book and denies any involment, I can only view him as a criminal and has no place in government, but in jail. How can his supporters overlook this, when his intentions and action by his group have lead to many of the problems we have today in Cyprus.

These people wanted to change the Constitution unilaterally, which means that, they don't believe in the Democratic institutions and it's obligations to the citizens they swore to protect. You can claim him to be your president if you want, but I can not. When people remain silent, and worse, when they apologize and make silly excuses for them, than they become part of the Akritas plan. How can anyone say that that plan was not meant to hurt the Turkish Cypriots. It was either going to be death sentence to us, or we would have become TC "Niggers" in our own country. If the clock could be turned back to 1974, I would welcome the Turkish Intervention to occupy the whole island, long enough to capture all those that were against the Constitution and also wanted Enosis, and send them on a one way ticket to Greece, before pulling her troops back to Turkey. It's no surprise that no one has any respect to the ROC to be willing to find a solution to Cyprus, because as they say, "old habits are hard to die". PappaD would like to see his dream come true, but for now he will have to settle for being a failed president over a broken up country, that he tried everything he could to bring it there.

[Bananiot]

Tough words Kikapu but you must not ignore the other side of the coin. Papadopoulos and most of the GC politicians of the 60's did their utmost for enosis without realising that they were playing with fire. By unilaterally trying to change the constitution they gave the perfect opportunity for the TC nationalists to start working for their aim, ie partition. Denktash and his lot were very happy with what Makarios, Papadopoulos, Yiorkatzis et all were doing. The only sane voice at the time was that of AKEL but after 1960 even AKEL adopted to the Makarios line and this alienated the TC members and sympathisers of AKEL. I insist that most of the blame is born by my side because by pursuing for enosis at all costs it presented the Tc's to the nationalists. Had we believed in Independed Cyprus we would have the support of the vast majority of TC and today Cyrpus would be a model country.

P.S. Can someone inform me as to why I cannot send private Messages?

[Kikapu]

By unilaterally trying to change the constitution they gave the perfect opportunity for the TC nationalists to start working for their aim, ie partition.

Every action has it's own reaction, so I guess what you have written above, was the reaction for the Akritas action.!!

[Bananiot]

I am not trying to pass judgement. All I am saying is that Cyprus is the victim of nationalists from both sides. I mean, it seems so easy to destroy a country, when there are no democratic institutions that can control the greedy politicians and when there is no democratic tradition to control the unethical, so called aspirations, of a banch of fools. Both enosis and partition were unethical since they were not supported by both communities who were, or better, should have been equal partners in the Independent Cyprus that we got in 1959.

[Natty]

Hey, yes the Akritas plan was wrong, made by people who still believed that ennosis was possible(However I don't exaclty know what it's about, did they want Ennosis?)....However what gets me is the people that insist that it was a document or plan that was written to specifically "genocide" the Turkish Cypriots, like the documents Hitler wrote when he attempted to wipe the jewish people of the face of the earth....you know?

Also from some of the comments I've read, it seems that some people beleive that the TC nationalists started working for their aim of partiton in responce to the Akritas Plan, or around that time ( again I could be wrong......sorry... ), I'm think i'm going to have to agree to disagree, I think the idea of Partiton had been around a long time, like from when the TMT set of bombs, blaming the Greeks to prove that the two communitites counld not live together....

In an interview given by Denktash to the British television channel ITV for the programme "Cyprus: Britain's Grim Legacy", he said:

"There was an explosion at the information bureau of the Turkish Consulate. A crowd had already gathered there, a crowd of the Turkish Cypriot community. And they almost immediately decided that Greeks had done it and they were swearing vengeance against the Greeks and so on." "The explosion started a night of riots in Nicosia. Turkish Cypriots burned and looted Greek shops and homes. Soon came counter-attacks and the fighting spread round the island. Later on, a friend of mine, whose name must still be kept secret, was to confess to me that he had put this little bomb in their doorway in order to create an atmosphere of tension so that people would know that Turkish Cypriots mattered."

"When the armed struggle started, the British had at their disposal thousands of men and could even increase their existing numbers to put down the EOKA struggle. This they did not do, but they formed instead the well known Auxiliary
Corps. The ordinary Turkish Cypriots, who did not realize where the British were leading them (since their leadership did not warn them, rather it encouraged them), hastened to reinforce this Auxiliary Corps thinking only of securing
a living. Thus, the Greek Cypriots, who thought that they were waging a holy struggle against the British, found themselves facing the Turkish Cypriots. In this way
the British started submitting to the Turkish community their plans for partition."Ibrahim Aziz, "The Historical Course of the Turkish Cypriot Community", 1981

Peace!!

[Bananiot]

Of course there were TC's that aspired partition well before the intercommunal strife started, but they were a very small minority. The vision of enosis though preceeds that of partition by a long way and it was supported almost by the whole GC community. The bet at the time was to contain the majority of the TC's and the only way was to work for the strengthening of the independence of Cyprus and not for enosis. From the moment we decided to pursue enosis as our ultimate goal, the writing was on the wall. Makarios played a key role and made several speeches prior to 1963 where he called for the elimination of our perpetual enemy because he foresaw that the TC community will stand against his enosis plans. This is what he said in a speech delivered on 4 September 1962 in his native village of Panayia: "until this small Turkish community has been expelled - these representatives of the Turkish race, the dreaded enemy of all things Greek - then the work of the heroes of EOKA cannot be regarded as complete". That was Makarios, the President of all Cypriots, who wanted to use Independed Cyprus as a stepping stone for enosis.

Natty, our bigots also set up bombs and blamed it on the TC's. The tactics used by the fanatics of both sides were identical.

[Natty]

Again I think i'm going to have to agree to disagree on some things......I don't agree with the idea of Ennosis, but I can certainly understand why the Greek Cypriots at that time wanted it, plus it was a completely legal idea to do with self determination rights, where as the idea of Partition was illegal....

Makarios also said,

"Greeks and Turks must coopperate in a spirit of frankness, with total respect for each other's natuaral rights and the cummunity's deep understanding of our interests and rights. Fanaticism and rivalry have to end, barriers must be brought down and a spirit of unity prevail in everything we do"

Fazil Kuchuk's (the vice president of Cyprus in 1960) newspaper wrote,

"Whether the Greeks want it or not, Cyprus will be dismembered one day and then they will realise who is dreaming"

I do agree, however, that neither sides were angels....

Peace!!:)

[Kikapu]

Of course there were TC's that aspired partition well before the intercommunal strife started, but they were a very small minority. The vision of enosis though preceeds that of partition by a long way and it was supported almost by the whole GC community. .

Bananiot,

In every corner of the world, everyone has an aspiration to do something, which they think will better their lives, but when this is thought of and worse tried out at the expense of the member of your minority community, there can be no worse crimes. Lets just assume that the Turkish Cypriots wanted partition way before the idea of Enosis. Then comes the question, what did the TC's actually do to advance their desires to bear any fruit. There's a difference of wanting something, and actually try to make it happen. Unless I'm mistaken, the actions of 1963 and beyond were a direct results of aspirations of Enosis. For many, that may seem a part of the Cypriot history that has come and gone and the idea of Enosis has died with the passing of time, but to others, we were there to experience it for our selves.

Natty,

Makarios can say anything he wanted to reassure the TC's as not to fear for their lives. I'm glad the TC's did fear for their lives, otherwise they would have had very little chance for survival, once the ball started to roll. Makarios never kept a word he promised to the TC's or to the Constitution. Only when he himself was in trouble, he wanted the TC's, the British and Turkeys help, to save his own ass. He was part of the "circle of criminals" that gave us what we have today in Cyprus. You can perhaps understand, the reluctance on the part of the TC's today, as to why there's little trust towards the Greek Cypriots, rightly or wrongly, seems irrelevant, because of the past experiences.

[Socrates]

Makarios didn’t want enosis and this is proven in 100 ways.

He was only wanted to be the great leader with the great authority.

He was a religion racist and wanted the get rid of the TC’s and take the full authority.

He was manipulating everyone to achieve his megalomaniac madness.

There are many examples on how he blocks the enosis like the Acheson plan and the block of the negotiations.

He was manipulate the Americans and never spoken to the them about what he truly want because the only thing he wanted is to be the great eastern leader under the rules of the ridiculous theocracy system he was created.

There over 1000 ridiculous examples of his megalomaniac madness like when he was talking about the enosis with Greece and he asked them to make him vice KING (antivasileas). He was passing him self as a metaphysical super human almost like a demigod, the psychopaths were building this metaphysical image for him was using even myths from the Greek mythology like the story when Hercules was kill the two snakes in his kid ages with his bare hands.

The majority of people actually believe what he was sitting next to god and they feel security under this great psychopath god madness.

Tassos is a creation of him who have build his ridiculous personality under this circumstances and he is using exactly the same psychological methods he used to pass him self as an untouchable hero.

I’ll continue this issue for everyone interested.

[Kifeas]

Of course there were TC's that aspired partition well before the intercommunal strife started, but they were a very small minority. The vision of enosis though preceeds that of partition by a long way and it was supported almost by the whole GC community. The bet at the time was to contain the majority of the TC's and the only way was to work for the strengthening of the independence of Cyprus and not for enosis. From the moment we decided to pursue enosis as our ultimate goal, the writing was on the wall. Makarios played a key role and made several speeches prior to 1963 where he called for the elimination of our perpetual enemy because he foresaw that the TC community will stand against his enosis plans. This is what he said in a speech delivered on 4 September 1962 in his native village of Panayia: "until this small Turkish community has been expelled - these representatives of the Turkish race, the dreaded enemy of all things Greek - then the work of the heroes of EOKA cannot be regarded as complete". That was Makarios, the President of all Cypriots, who wanted to use Independed Cyprus as a stepping stone for enosis.

Natty, our bigots also set up bombs and blamed it on the TC's. The tactics used by the fanatics of both sides were identical.

Of course the above words, if they were indeed spelled out by Makarios in 1962 as they appear, are indeed very tough and strong words. However, even though one may cite a few more such examples that may indicate bad intentions towards the TC community, one may also find even more examples and cases which reveal quite the opposite. If one takes the above words in isolation, then Makarios indeed had bad intentions. One should see them though within the context for the broader climate and circumstances of the times, during which the frustration and anger of the GC leadership and Makarios personally was at the highest level due to the inherent malfunctioning of the constitution and the fact that the TC leadership was appearing fully ready and determined to use every privilege given to it in order to impose its uncompromising attitude. The above words of Makarios were very wrong, but should not be taken at face value and should not be interpreted to have been indicative of his ill-intentions, but rather an outburst of his own frustration and despair during the said period, words which I am sure he did not mean and for which he must have regretted for having said.

Two years ago, I was told a story by a TC police sergeant serving in Pafos police station during the pre-1963/64 period that now lives in Morfou, in which he described to me an incident that he personally had experienced one day during 1961 /62 when Makarios visited the Pafos police station. A small group of TC villagers from Akoursos, a remote village in Pafos mountains, decided to visit the police station (probably they knew of his visit in Pafos) and asked to see him. He was seating in the chief’s of police office and they were escorted by this TC police sergeant into the office. When they got in, they started complaining loudly that the authorities ignore and neglect them and that they have no electricity, no running water, no telephone and no proper road to their village and they can’t even send their children to school in the morning, and no one seems to listen to their pleads and their lives are so miserable, etc, etc. Makarios said to them ok, you may go back and tomorrow you will have all of them. He then asked the chief of the police to call the chiefs of all the above departments and companies to come immediately to the police station to see him. They all came within 20 minutes and got into the office with him. He started shouting and shouting and shouting while banking his shoes on the wooden floor and his stick on the table for more than 10-15 minutes, without letting them utter a word to him until they were released and left. The next day in the morning the entire work force of all the above departments started work and within 1 to 4 days they transferred electricity, water, and telephone and even widened and paved the road all the way to the village –some 10 kilometers, and then they even went and apologized to the villagers according to the person that told me the story.